LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Alan T]

I mean, ultimately, KWhit could be the unaware spawn, you could be the unaware spawn (really unlikely, as a spawn would be lynching people, but still possible in theory), Render could be the unaware spawn...I understand and sympathize with the bad vibe on hoops, but there's only so much we can do about it...right now. I'll be remembering this in a few days, though, for sure.


I'm having a hard time following your arguement.. What exactly did I say here that was not true.... I've said tonight that anyone pushing for lynching hoops is not a good idea it is mathematically irresponsible, and then I turned around and said that hoops pushing at kwhit was the exact same arguement that I felt was bad to be used on Hoops, to which he responded he wasn't necessarily pushing for kwhit just bringing up things... then I said I was getting that nagging feeling that eats me on the inside about hoops when I don't trust where he is going with things.. to which he asked if a spawn would ask to be let out to roam around, to which I said yeah I could see a spawn doing that, but I also clarified that I already said the spawn he could only be is 1 and trying to hunt for that 1 is like trying to find a pin in a haystack at this point......

So that brief summary of the last 10 or so minutes, I really don't see what the problem you have with any of that is.. maybe you can help me understand?

[hoopsguy]

I understand and sympathize with the bad vibe on hoops, but there's only so much we can do about it...right now. I'll be remembering this in a few days, though, for sure.

What are you going to do, go "Cask of Amontillado" on me? :eek: :lol:

[Marc Vaughan]

I was thinking that the statement came back as unknown because of the "I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn." part - because it might be imposible for the person to know that one way or the other.

Much as I hate to clear Chubby after all he's done to get me lynched ;) ...

If thats the case then he's clean by default if its using standard 'computer' equations.

One 'false' would return false - the fact that it came back 'unknown' would indicate that the first item ("I'm not a spawn") is TRUE and the other two are unknowable.

This would mean he's clear as far as he knows.

[Alan T]

I don't see why even the Spawn Queen would want to be separated from the COT in the Brig.

Probably true, but I already know that neither you nor Kwhit nor Render are the spawn queen.. so I don't have to worry about that.

Wouldn't that arguement also mean that you don't have to worry that I've been converted since kwhit wouldn't be the spawn queen?

[Barkeep49]

Finally there is some agreement. Most of the work has been done. Some people on the ship are likely Spawn. It is time to kill one of your own. But who? Various names are bandied about throughout the day, until it is decided that Telle is the one poses the most risk. And so, with but a whimper, she is descended upon. It is brutal as the stress of the journey and being on this god-forsaken planet comes through. And in the crew discovers:

A SPAWN! crawling around amidst her remains. That is one less worry for the ship.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Damaged 3 man cycles to repair
Water Plant – Damaged (Non Operational) 6 cycles to repair
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 46 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 2 days at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 79 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)
Brig – Alan T, Render, path, KWhit
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 18 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 5 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy Exhuasted
Ensign – Chubby Wounded

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhuasted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa


Trainer – mccollins Exhuasted

Medical Staff
Doctor - path12 Wounded
Medic - The Jackal
Medic - bulletsponge Exhuasted

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhuasted
Warden - Passacagalia Exhuasted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhuasted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhuasted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhuasted

Scientists

LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic

Privates

Marc Vaughn Exhuasted


Slaves
17 slaves accounted
3 slaves dead

Deceased
Telle - Spawn

[Passacaglia]

woot!

[PackerFanatic]

Well holy shit.

I guess I should say well done hoops.

[path12]

Also, anyone know who were the Night 1 people that got mixed up with slaves?

I'm pretty certain that Mrs Schmidty shot one of them. Someone else (Olie?) shot a slave that night, as we had two spent phasers.

Who were the others that encountered slaves?

I was attacked by a slave, and also to my knowledge nobody guarded me at all on N1, so from that standpoint I'm ironically the weakest link in the CoT (assuming both that Mrs. Schmidty guarded KWhit and that she isn't bad -- but nobody tried to convert me in the brig last night, so that makes me feel sort of better).

[Alan T]

Well cool, now we don't have to worry about giving Telle any water tommorrow! :)

[LoneStarGirl]

oh sweet

damn hoops, good going

[hoopsguy]

Alan, once we clear Path then I think that is correct.

[Passacaglia]

olie -- you ain't seen nothin' yet!

[Alan T]

I was attacked by a slave, and also to my knowledge nobody guarded me at all on N1, so from that standpoint I'm ironically the weakest link in the CoT (assuming both that Mrs. Schmidty guarded KWhit and that she isn't bad -- but nobody tried to convert me in the brig last night, so that makes me feel sort of better).


Someone correct me if I am wrong.. the spawn queen and unaware spawn are different spawn characters.. the only spawn who can be scanned by the doctor as good is the unaware spawn. The only spawn that can convert is the spawn queen, the other spawn can only do regular attacks... So thus since kwhit, myself, hoops and render have all been scanned by you as good. you must assume none of us are at least the spawn queen, thus no one in the brig can convert you...

Right?

[hoopsguy]

This makes me happy.

[PackerFanatic]

Have a good night kids - tomorrow should be fun!

[Marc Vaughan]

Which means we still have 4 not voting. Schmidty and Clap are two

I'm staying as a 'No Vote' - I haven't seen compelling evidence to vote for anyone (ie. at best its probably a 35% shot voting for any of the current candidates).

Chubby who I had considered voting for is likely to be innocent, wish I knew exactly how the empath power evaluated things (for those of you who have played WW before, any chance of us finding out? - or is this sort of thing always left vague (ie. should I ask or is it pointless) ).

[KWhit]

Booyah!

[oliegirl]

olie -- you ain't seen nothin' yet!

Huh?

I'm just glad we got a spawn, and fully admit that I was wrong in doubting Hoops.

[Marc Vaughan]

I'm staying as a 'No Vote' - I haven't seen compelling evidence to vote for anyone (ie. at best its probably a 35% shot voting for any of the current candidates).

Chubby who I had considered voting for is likely to be innocent, wish I knew exactly how the empath power evaluated things (for those of you who have played WW before, any chance of us finding out? - or is this sort of thing always left vague (ie. should I ask or is it pointless) ).

Just seen the result post - well done to the lynch mob then chaps :D

[Tyrith]

Well, I think we rendered that entire previous conversation pretty moot.

I'm going to go work on some engines now.

[KWhit]

I'm staying as a 'No Vote' - I haven't seen compelling evidence to vote for anyone (ie. at best its probably a 35% shot voting for any of the current candidates).

Chubby who I had considered voting for is likely to be innocent, wish I knew exactly how the empath power evaluated things (for those of you who have played WW before, any chance of us finding out? - or is this sort of thing always left vague (ie. should I ask or is it pointless) ).

Can't hurt to ask.

[Passacaglia]

Huh?

I'm just glad we got a spawn, and fully admit that I was wrong in doubting Hoops.

Sure thing. Actually, I probably won't even have to come after you myself -- you'll take enough heat from other folks.

[KWhit]

Sure thing. Actually, I probably won't even have to come after you myself -- you'll take enough heat from other folks.

Yep.

:)

[Alan T]

This makes me happy.

I have a new question for you based on this lynch result hoops.. Since Saldana's "dissapointing" result from the previous day was 16 crystlium... and Telle being a spawn on her mission resulted in something around 16 crystlium...

Your mission only got 9 crystlium though, and assuming you know that you aren't a spawn, and you had more benefit from the exploration mission than Telle's mission should have had from today.. What does that tell you about LSG who went with you on today's mission?

[Barkeep49]

Quick comment on weekend play: there wont be any. Tomorrow will be a normal day. Night 4 will then run from Friday at 10 PM until Monday at 9 AM, at which time Day 5 will start.

[oliegirl]

Sure thing. Actually, I probably won't even have to come after you myself -- you'll take enough heat from other folks.

Why would you have to come after me? Aside from not taking Hoops evidence as reason to lynch Telle (and I am not the only one who did that), what have I done that makes you (or anyone else) think I am bad. I haven't been off the ship so my chance for being infected isn't any higher or lower than the rest of the people who haven't left the ship. And hoops spied on me night one and confirmed that I was telling the truth in my spy on Saldana.

So what exactly do you think I'll be taking heat for?

[oliegirl]

Dola, I'm heading bed...been spending way too much time on the game according to SL. I'm out until the morning.

[path12]

I think you are quickly losing most of the good will I have started feeling for you after Path's scan.. Your line of thinking while realistic is obviously not your normal optimal play. That with the timing of Pass's off the wall comments just gives me a feeling something is going on behind the scenes with you.

FWIW, I think it's a valid line of questioning. We've been as careful as possible so far, but night 1 where both KWhit and I spent the night outside the brig is really the only weak link we've had. I haven't really talked about it so far because a) I got no PM about any activity in the brig last night and b) there's enough wild-ass theories being flung around as it is and I saw no need to add another three pages worth.

But I think that hoops is well within his rights to question the night 1 actions.

[KWhit]

I have a new question for you based on this lynch result hoops.. Since Saldana's "dissapointing" result from the previous day was 16 crystlium... and Telle being a spawn on her mission resulted in something around 16 crystlium...

Your mission only got 9 crystlium though, and assuming you know that you aren't a spawn, and you had more benefit from the exploration mission than Telle's mission should have had from today.. What does that tell you about LSG who went with you on today's mission?

Good question. I had my eye on the two scientists as well, since we kind of put out there the fact that Telle and Hoops would be 'judged' by their away mission, I thought it was a great set-up to see how the two scientists may have performed as well. Especially if they thought they could sabotage the mission and put heat on a villager at the same time.

[Marc Vaughan]

Quick comment on weekend play: there wont be any. Tomorrow will be a normal day. Night 4 will then run from Friday at 10 PM until Monday at 9 AM, at which time Day 5 will start.

While I'm remembering - I'm driving down to my mother in laws for the weekend tomorrow, will be leaving around 12am (midday) .... so if I'm quiet that why.

(for the purposes of anything which might be required while I'm offline I'll happily go along with anything Alan asks without being ordered to if thats possible? ... I'm a good little trooper ;) )

[path12]

I was meaning a gut feeling regarding my normal play style where I would have already killed off the security chief, the doctor and gotten my self mutinied by now most likely if I was playing my normal game of gut feelings :)

I LOL'd.

[PurdueBrad]

Nice job guys, good catch, particularly since we aren't even out of here yet. I'm doing engine work, the rest of the engineers (except Claph) are too so we'll get us ready to go!

[hoopsguy]

I have a new question for you based on this lynch result hoops.. Since Saldana's "dissapointing" result from the previous day was 16 crystlium... and Telle being a spawn on her mission resulted in something around 16 crystlium...

Your mission only got 9 crystlium though, and assuming you know that you aren't a spawn, and you had more benefit from the exploration mission than Telle's mission should have had from today.. What does that tell you about LSG who went with you on today's mission?

LSG has been on my mind. If she is good I must have gotten one god-awful dice roll (assuming there are random elements to these results, based on previous games).
Olie spying on the sleeping Saldana on N1 has garnered him some trust in my eyes. I have him a smidge above the middle right now.

[KWhit]

FWIW, I think it's a valid line of questioning. We've been as careful as possible so far, but night 1 where both KWhit and I spent the night outside the brig is really the only weak link we've had. I haven't really talked about it so far because a) I got no PM about any activity in the brig last night and b) there's enough wild-ass theories being flung around as it is and I saw no need to add another three pages worth.

But I think that hoops is well within his rights to question the night 1 actions.

Yeah, I kind of agree there. But I made a big-ass deal about the fact that I needed protection that night to scare away any potential attacks - and MrsS said publicly that she would protect me. That made me think that the spawn would go after a candidate more likely to be left unguarded (which is exactly what happened).

I did the same thing in the previous spawn games after I was cleared. Announced to everyone, "I'm going to be guarded, you don't want to come after me." And it worked then as well. So I think in everyone's eyes, it should be seen as a less likely occurrence because of that.

[path12]

Someone correct me if I am wrong.. the spawn queen and unaware spawn are different spawn characters.. the only spawn who can be scanned by the doctor as good is the unaware spawn. The only spawn that can convert is the spawn queen, the other spawn can only do regular attacks... So thus since kwhit, myself, hoops and render have all been scanned by you as good. you must assume none of us are at least the spawn queen, thus no one in the brig can convert you...

Right?

That could be -- I didn't look at the spawn roles too closely and assumed any of them could convert. My point was simply that KWhit was scanned and that night both he and I were not in the brig, so if there was any conversion it was done then.

Am I understanding your question correctly?

Oh, and w00t! Take that, spawn bastards.

[KWhit]

It's my son's birthday tomorrow and I'm taking the day off from work to be with him tomorrow, so I won't be as active as I have been. I'll be checking in off and on though and should be able to be as active as most everyone else (just probably won't make 50 posts like I have been so far).

[path12]

Your mission only got 9 crystlium though, and assuming you know that you aren't a spawn, and you had more benefit from the exploration mission than Telle's mission should have had from today.. What does that tell you about LSG who went with you on today's mission?

LSG is toward the top of my scan candidate list for tomorrow, BTW.

[hoopsguy]

Sounds like a few of us might not be in play tomorrow. I'm going to be out at noon (CST) if not a little earlier and likely not on again until Sunday late afternoon.

[path12]

Good luck catching up, henry296. :)

[Tyrith]

I'm going to miss at least part of afternoon, possibly all day between noon and eight for golf stuff.

[PurdueBrad]

I won't be on until the evening most likely so good luck during the day. I'm submitting conditional that I work on water unless Tyrith works on something else and then I'll follow him.

[Alan T]

Yeah, I am leaving tommorrow at noon myself for the weekend. I will have the ability to check in though, but not my normal self.

[path12]

I'm around. I may get lonely.

[mccollins]

LSG is toward the top of my scan candidate list for tomorrow, BTW.

I recall you mentioning earlier that you were looking to scan to build the CoT the first 3 days, but starting tomorrow you're looking to scan for a spawn. Even if that means we lose you? Is that just a risk-reward we're willing to take?

To be clear, I obviously have my own doubts about LSG.

[hoopsguy]

Bummer, Telle was just a garden-variety Spawn.

Well, I didn't get Viper, but I still bagged an instructer.

No, boys ... there are two "O's" in hoopsguy.

[Alan T]

Bummer, Telle was just a garden-variety Spawn.

Well, I didn't get Viper, but I still bagged an instructer.

No, boys ... there are two "O's" in hoopsguy.

I'm pretty sure you flew below flight deck

[hoopsguy]

It is there for the protection of me and my crew, after all.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Nice job guys :)
Bullet is still on my radar however and I look forward to seeing what happens tonight!

[hoopsguy]

And, just to be a total nerd about that movie - it was the hard deck they flew below. I think it was 10,000 feet.

[Tyrith]

This also makes me wonder about Chubby somewhat, and if that entire thing wasn't some botched distraction play. That'd be really, really silly and I think he's a better player than that, but it's another marble rolling around in my head -- I'm up to 4 now! (joke)

[mccollins]

Looking at our list of 22 (!!!) people and the 5 beds:

4 will be in the brig (Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path)
5 Engineers will be working (Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Danny, Heinz, Clap)
6 Security personnel will be patrolling (I think) (Hoops, olie, Pass, Mr & Mrs Schmidty, Saldana)

That leaves 7 for the 5 beds: Ensign Chubby (wounded), Trainer mccollins, Medics Jackal & bulletsponge, Scientists LSG & PF, and soon-to-be-Doctor Marc Vaughn.

FWIW.

[Marc Vaughan]

This also makes me wonder about Chubby somewhat, and if that entire thing wasn't some botched distraction play. That'd be really, really silly and I think he's a better player than that, but it's another marble rolling around in my head -- I'm up to 4 now! (joke)

I'm unsure also.

PS - Got a reply to my question about empath queries, they DONT follow programming logic.
Hence:
true + false + unknown = unknown
true + false = unknown
Not false like it would for a programming statement (meaning I'm afraid that my scan on Chubby was worthless because it could easily be his lack of knowledge about him being an 'unknown spawn' cause the failure - sorry chaps wish I'd known that before I did the scan.

[mccollins]

I'm unsure also.

PS - Got a reply to my question about empath queries, they DONT follow programming logic.
Hence:
true + false + unknown = unknown
true + false = unknown
Not false like it would for a programming statement (meaning I'm afraid that my scan on Chubby was worthless because it could easily be his lack of knowledge about him being an 'unknown spawn' cause the failure - sorry chaps wish I'd known that before I did the scan.

Regular (or programming) logic might go into effect if 'and' and/or 'or' is in the statement, but Chubby used none in the statement that was empathed.

[bulletsponge]

woot good for us *pats themselves on the back*

[hoopsguy]

Water Supply – 46 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 2 days at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 79 units (at least 75 required)

Just to make sure I'm following along with the plan - what are we mining tomorrow before takeoff?

Doesn't any more Crys at this point mean we are dumping water?

Given that we have a pretty full ship, I'm not sure that I want to lose water.

Barkeep, can we go on a water mission tomorrow and drink it that same day rather than storing it?

[Tyrith]

Just to make sure I'm following along with the plan - what are we mining tomorrow before takeoff?

Doesn't any more Crys at this point mean we are dumping water?

Given that we have a pretty full ship, I'm not sure that I want to lose water.

Barkeep, can we go on a water mission tomorrow and drink it that same day rather than storing it?

My question would be if we can go on a crys mission, keep like 5 more and dump the rest -- I'd just like a little more buffer in case of leakage, but we do need water.

[path12]

I recall you mentioning earlier that you were looking to scan to build the CoT the first 3 days, but starting tomorrow you're looking to scan for a spawn. Even if that means we lose you? Is that just a risk-reward we're willing to take?

Well, it's a risk-reward I'm willing to take which I guess is what counts. ;)

I think I've achieved what I wanted to so far in this game -- I've gotten the brig full of people we can trust and who are in leadership positions. That was goal one, and hopefully we can get off the ground tomorrow that way. At that point, my focus has to be finding spawn.......I've never seen this as a role that lives through the game.

[mccollins]

Just running some numbers - we dumped 18 water units to store crys today (64 down to 46) and we'll use 22 water units at the morning deadline (46 down to 24). I think we've all agreed that Saldana and the slaves will go get us some more crys (I'm not sure if we can say how much we want to keep) and as long as they don't bring back more than 22 crys, we won't have to throw out any more water (with 24 we'll be very close to exactly one day's worth of water).

In addition the water plant can be fully fixed during Day 4. That would give us around a day of water in the cargo hold and a working water plant.

The decision is then the risk/reward of sending another crew out who might possibly get infected.

[Danny]

Awesome job guys! I am not surprised at all, I read her play as exactly the same as in the last game where she was a wolf.

I think we should look really hard at Bulletsponge today. His bandwagon jumping seemed a desperate attempt to get votes on someone other than Telle. He didn't care whether it was MV or Chubby, he just wanted votes on someone. That only makes sense if he knew Telle was also a spawn.

[Danny]

And extra props to Hoops and Schmidty. Schmidty for scanning Render so hoopsguy could shift his attention to Telle and Hoopsguy for obvious reasons.

[Danny]

And hopefully that will be the end of all this no lynch talk

[Danny]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is no kill again today as the spawn will likely try and replace the loss of Telle with a new convert.

[Chubby]

If I'm still alive in the morning I am at work til 4pm again. I will most certainly be voting for bulletsponge when I get back.

[saldana]

morning hoops

[hoopsguy]

Hey, Saldana. In the middle of reconsidering my night action right about now.

[saldana]

Hey, Saldana. In the middle of reconsidering my night action right about now.

mine was pretty easy...provide an extra layer of security on the slave pens, or fight people for a bed

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I'm trying to fight my urges to go spy on potential spawn vs. guarding a room vs guarding someone I think is a pretty natural target.

So three choices on the board, all kind of appealing in their own way.

[hoopsguy]

So, anyone want to construct scenarios where someone was trying to "save" Telle yesterday up until late afternoon? The votes kind of came in a rush for her, but for a very long time I was the only one with a vote on her.

Tyrith was 2nd man in - I believe at a point where I still wasn't cleared by Path although I would have to go look up posts to verify that. So I have that as a check in the good column for him. The remaining ten players after that get less good will just because I think that Spawn might be able to see writing on the wall and were willing to lose a vanilla member of their team.

[hoopsguy]

One more note - given that I won't be around much today I'll have to vote early. Saldana, it might end up being you on account of the four away missions (working on assumption you are being sent today) if something isn't turned up from night actions. Even though I've had some trust from you since you were sleeping on N1 and have done what you are supposed to do with your role.

[Alan T]

So, anyone want to construct scenarios where someone was trying to "save" Telle yesterday up until late afternoon? The votes kind of came in a rush for her, but for a very long time I was the only one with a vote on her.

Tyrith was 2nd man in - I believe at a point where I still wasn't cleared by Path although I would have to go look up posts to verify that. So I have that as a check in the good column for him. The remaining ten players after that get less good will just because I think that Spawn might be able to see writing on the wall and were willing to lose a vanilla member of their team.


For whatever it is worth, I might be wrong but I feel ok about both Tyrith and PurdueBrad right now as far as engineers go

[PackerFanatic]

Looking at our list of 22 (!!!) people and the 5 beds:

4 will be in the brig (Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path)
5 Engineers will be working (Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Danny, Heinz, Clap)
6 Security personnel will be patrolling (I think) (Hoops, olie, Pass, Mr & Mrs Schmidty, Saldana)

That leaves 7 for the 5 beds: Ensign Chubby (wounded), Trainer mccollins, Medics Jackal & bulletsponge, Scientists LSG & PF, and soon-to-be-Doctor Marc Vaughn.

FWIW.

I am staying up tonight, mainly because I got a bed last night, I am fully healed now (knock on wood), and there are others that need beds.

[PackerFanatic]

I will be in and out, checking in on things. Probably more in the afternoon because I have to stay late today (well, later than normal Fridays...boo!) I will be around for the night actions :)

'Grats again, all, on nabbing us a spawn. Now we NEED to get out off this rock before they convert anymore!

[KWhit]

Bummer, Telle was just a garden-variety Spawn.

Well, I didn't get Viper, but I still bagged an instructer.

No, boys ... there are two "O's" in hoopsguy.

Negative Ghostrider. The pattern is full.

[jeheinz72]

I've tried to get votes on you - that might have triggered an ability if more people folllowed :)

That just triggers the Pissed Off Heinz ability :)

[jeheinz72]

*Slaps Ketchup Boy*

Was it any better coming from a woman???? ;)

Nothing, I'm afraid. (as he avoids the multitude of opportunities to make a lewd comment)

[jeheinz72]

So all the stuff between Chubby and Marc Vaughan makes you unvote hoopsguy, and vote Telle? Did you forget what side you were on? ;)

No, not at all. (keep in mind I'm still catching up from where you posted this)

Hoops was scanned as good, hence the red-faced unvote.

That really leaves 2 options. Enter the Chubby/MV debate or vote Telle. Since I don't have any sort of confidence in any claim Chubby/MV make (could be 2 empaths plus who is lying?) I voted Telle. Safe play.

[Barkeep49]

Before much news can be disseminated about who was where last night, disturbing news comes in. News of a body. The crew rushes to investigate and finds the body of mmccollins – a survivor- sprawled across the floor of a sleep quarter, devoid of life. That grim news ushers people to breakfast where they talk about last. Of how hoops guarded the water plant, just like olie, Mrs. Schmidty & pass guarded the Security HQ, and saldana guarded the slave pens. There was plenty of work from the Engineer staff as well as clap worked on the water plant and Tyrith, Danny, Pudue, and jeheinz slaved away to make sure the engines could be ready for lift-off. Lift-off. You’ve only spent 3 days on this hell of a planet and you can’t wait to leave it. With only two dead things are in better shape than you could have hoped. It looks like the humans really have a chance of saving interstellar space after all.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Damaged (Non Operational) 5 cycles to repair
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 79 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)

Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 18 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 5 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy Exhausted
Ensign – Chubby

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - path12
Doctor - MarcVaughn Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal
Medic - bulletsponge

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhausted
Warden - Passacagalia Exhausted
Galley Master - Schmidty
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhausted

Scientists

LoneStarGirl Exhausted
PackerFanatic Exhausted

Slaves
17 slaves accounted
3 slaves dead

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor

[jeheinz72]

Power of Crys (Huey Lewis' Power of Love)

The power of crys is a curious thing
Make the spawn weep, make us humans sing
Change a broken ship into a little white dove
More than gasoline, that's the power of crys

Mined like diamonds, important as air
stronger and harder to find that BK's hair (sorry BK)
Leave a bad spawn behind, make a weak phaser strong
Power of crys let's us all get gone

You don't need money, don't take a chip
Don't need no ticket to ride this ship
Its strong and almost fixed
and it might just save your life
That's the power of crys
That's the power of crys

That's awesome PB. I love Huey Lewis.

[PackerFanatic]

Haha, that is a great song, PB - I must have missed it in the shuffle.

[Passacaglia]

Well, never mind my suggestion to scan mickey c, path.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

*mourn McCollins*

We need water, bad. We have enough for just over a day. I have to leave for work but will be on before deadline.

I'm putting my vote in from yesterday unless I see something better when I get home.

VOTE BULLET

[mccollins]

BOOOOO!!! I was going to tally up all the actions in the game over the weekend :-(

[PackerFanatic]

*mourn McCollins*

We need water, bad. We have enough for just over a day. I have to leave for work but will be on before deadline.

I'm putting my vote in from yesterday unless I see something better when I get home.

VOTE BULLET

I imagine our lovely engineers will be repairing the plant, which will help our situation.

[Passacaglia]

BOOOOO!!! I was going to tally up all the actions in the game over the weekend :-(

That sucks to see you go, buddy. We really should have tried to get another trainer.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, and, Huey Lewis rocks.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I imagine our lovely engineers will be repairing the plant, which will help our situation.

True. Does it make limitless water? Not sure if it says how much it produces a day anywhere, if so yay! :)

[Tyrith]

Yup, Packer, it's off to work I go.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, can you help re-clarify how water works?

We drunk water this morning. if we go on a water supply mission today it is only for today anyways and since we already drunk water this morning it doesn't do anything for tommorrow correct it would only be added to the cargo hold if there is any space left (which might be doubtful if we also do a crystlium run today)?

Correct?

[Tyrith]

True. Does it make limitless water? Not sure if it says how much it produces a day anywhere, if so yay! :)

It produces enough, I think.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, can you help re-clarify how water works?

We drunk water this morning. if we go on a water supply mission today it is only for today anyways and since we already drunk water this morning it doesn't do anything for tommorrow correct it would only be added to the cargo hold if there is any space left (which might be doubtful if we also do a crystlium run today)?

Correct?
Correct

[Barkeep49]

True. Does it make limitless water? Not sure if it says how much it produces a day anywhere, if so yay! :)
Yes it makes limitless water

[Alan T]

Correct


Barkeep one other question..

If we go on a crystlium mission can we request to not have any extra replace the water in the hold? ie: we want to keep x amount of water but fill up the rest of the hold from the mission? If so, who would have to request this and how?

[jeheinz72]

For whatever it is worth, I might be wrong but I feel ok about both Tyrith and PurdueBrad right now as far as engineers go

Why not me? I was wrong about hoops, but I was far from the only one to vote him on Day TWo as well, and prodding him pre-scan wasn't out of line.

[KWhit]

So, away mssions today. I slept last night, so I need to plan whatever away missions we want to do this morning.

I can see an argument for mining mission (a few more crys just to be safe and give us a buffer for phaser repair), a water mission (as we're running low), both missions or no missions at all (to spare the chance of infection).

So I'm looking for input on what our away mission(s) should be today.

[Alan T]

Why not me? I was wrong about hoops, but I was far from the only one to vote him on Day TWo as well, and prodding him pre-scan wasn't out of line.


I probably should refrain from saying who I think is ok or not until we get into space so further conversions can't happen.. I was basing my thought on something else I read this morning (don't remember what) but was basing it more on how they've acted in the thread moreso than voting behavior

[Barkeep49]

Purdue, Tyrith, and clap (with clap trailing behind Tyrith like a little puppy following its master) all head to the water plant to enact some repairs.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep one other question..

If we go on a crystlium mission can we request to not have any extra replace the water in the hold? ie: we want to keep x amount of water but fill up the rest of the hold from the mission? If so, who would have to request this and how?
You could give it as an order or Schmidty could do it as a free action.

[jeheinz72]

Ok so engine work is done. I think water trumps in priority over fixing beds, don't you all agree?

I"m hesitant to put the action in right now though, as since it's not imperative for lift-off I can wait until after lift-off in case any funny stuff goes down.

Thoughts?

[Alan T]

So, away mssions today. I slept last night, so I need to plan whatever away missions we want to do this morning.

I can see an argument for mining mission (a few more crys just to be safe and give us a buffer for phaser repair), a water mission (as we're running low), both missions or no missions at all (to spare the chance of infection).

So I'm looking for input on what our away mission(s) should be today.

Water mission doesn't make any sense I don't think. we only have 23 slots in the cargo hold, and crystlium seems more important to get extra of. So if we get 5 - 15 crystlium the extra water we get ends up not really being enough to matter (at least to risk further exposure outside)...

I think we send out Saldana + slaves to pick up extra crystlium then we take off

[jeheinz72]

So, away mssions today. I slept last night, so I need to plan whatever away missions we want to do this morning.

I can see an argument for mining mission (a few more crys just to be safe and give us a buffer for phaser repair), a water mission (as we're running low), both missions or no missions at all (to spare the chance of infection).

So I'm looking for input on what our away mission(s) should be today.

I think Crys for sure. I'd like to see us lift off with a buffer of 10.

I don't know how vital the water is to actually go get (at the risk of infection). We're 5 repair units from fixing it, and we have 6 units both during the day today and tonight.

[Alan T]

dola.. we have enough water for slightly over 1 day now.. even if we drink it, something happens to the water pump, we still would only be dehydrated at first..

So we really have a two day buffer to fix the pumps right? I don't think water is important enough to risk today. So on second consideration I stand by my thought of send Saldana for some crystlium and then lets go

[KWhit]

So if we get the water repaired before tomorrow morning, we should still have 23 units in the hold in case the replicator is damaged in space. Is that correct, BK?

If so, I think I'd be okay with lifting off in that case.

[Alan T]

Marc Vaughn and Path, we need to figure out a way to do scans and get alot of this funny business behind us... Marc since you don't have any empath scans left, you're full time doctor now..

I think best thing would be to have you two scan each other.. If one happens to be a spawn, then well Path said he was ready to find spawns now..

This also helps if they tried to plant a spawnling in Marc last night.. and helps us solidify our CoT..

It only is bad if BOTH of you are spawn already which I think is very low probability

[Tyrith]

Ok so engine work is done. I think water trumps in priority over fixing beds, don't you all agree?

I"m hesitant to put the action in right now though, as since it's not imperative for lift-off I can wait until after lift-off in case any funny stuff goes down.

Thoughts?

Even if funny stuff happens...we need the water fixed, even before the security HQ I suspect, once the conversions are our of the picture. Remember, two days without water = death, just as sure as if a spawn flays your body across the decking.

[Danny]

I put in my order to repair the water plant as well.

I got no information about the engineers I worked with yesterday in regards to being spawn aware.

[jeheinz72]

Since PB, Tyrith and Clap all already went to the water, does anyone object to my holding off for post-take off? I think if we have no more damage then of course I'll fix the water plant, but I'd hate to see us all go an use up our actions only to see the spawn do damage somehow to the engine and stick us here another day.

Thoughts?

[KWhit]

Yes, I agree. Crys and then get out of dodge.

I'll plan a mission.

[Alan T]

Since PB, Tyrith and Clap all already went to the water, does anyone object to my holding off for post-take off? I think if we have no more damage then of course I'll fix the water plant, but I'd hate to see us all go an use up our actions only to see the spawn do damage somehow to the engine and stick us here another day.

Thoughts?


I'm ok with that.. you can put in your order for the water plant after lift off

[jeheinz72]

Even if funny stuff happens...we need the water fixed, even before the security HQ I suspect, once the conversions are our of the picture. Remember, two days without water = death, just as sure as if a spawn flays your body across the decking.

Yes, but not before engine repairs. If they damage the engine and we can't repair it today, we can't life off.

[jeheinz72]

err..lift.

[Barkeep49]

So if we get the water repaired before tomorrow morning, we should still have 23 units in the hold in case the replicator is damaged in space. Is that correct, BK?

If so, I think I'd be okay with lifting off in that case.
Correct

[jeheinz72]

I'm ok with that.. you can put in your order for the water plant after lift off

Cool, I'll be around until at least 4-5 EST today.

Then, as I've talked to BK about, I'm out until likely *tuesday* morning. So I'll be devising some sort of conditionals for my actions.

[Danny]

I tried to cancel my repair order as well because that is smart of jeheinz. I'll be back at the same time as always and will spend my point then.

[jeheinz72]

Do we even bother talkin' lynch yet? I've got 2 pretty good suspects frankly.

[Alan T]

Do we even bother talkin' lynch yet? I've got 2 pretty good suspects frankly.


I don't see the rush yet.. majority of our security personal haven't even been in after night activities.. Who knows what anyone may have seen last night.

[saldana]

nothing happened at the slave pens last night

as soon as I see that Kwhit planned the mission, i will take the slaves out one more time and then we can get the hell out of here

[Alan T]

nothing happened at the slave pens last night

as soon as I see that Kwhit planned the mission, i will take the slaves out one more time and then we can get the hell out of here

Sounds good.

[saldana]

alan, can you tell us what your plan for the slaves is after the mission, or do you still playing that close to the vest

[saldana]

dola, i see no reason not to kill them as soon as we are off the ground

[Barkeep49]

Danny goes to the water plant to start repairing it. He later seems to regret this, but the repairs are already under way so he continues his work there.

[Alan T]

dola, i see no reason not to kill them as soon as we are off the ground


I didn't want to say last night in case there was anything that the spawn could do to cause us problems using them.

I plan on killing them as soon as I am allowed to. (Once we lift off)

[Barkeep49]

KWhit returns to his office yet again to plan some more missions for the crew.

[Tyrith]

Yes, but not before engine repairs. If they damage the engine and we can't repair it today, we can't life off.

If they damage the engine for more than a single point of damage and do any damage to pretty much anything else we can't lift off anyway. But I can deal with your course of action, for now.

[hoopsguy]

I don't see the rush yet.. majority of our security personal haven't even been in after night activities.. Who knows what anyone may have seen last night.

Well, with everyone guarding (at least that is how I read it), coupled with a night kill, I think it is pretty unlikely we'll learn anything today.

I know I didn't have any action over by the water plant.

Anyone look tired today that should not be?

[Alan T]

Well, with everyone guarding (at least that is how I read it), coupled with a night kill, I think it is pretty unlikely we'll learn anything today.

I know I didn't have any action over by the water plant.

Anyone look tired today that should not be?

Well if mccollins got a bed before dying that would have been 5 non-tired people for 5 beds (plus those in the brig).

Hard to say without knowing where mccollins was.

[KWhit]

If they damage the engine for more than a single point of damage and do any damage to pretty much anything else we can't lift off anyway. But I can deal with your course of action, for now.

Typically they can only attack at night.

There may be exceptions to that, though....

[Alan T]

Typically they can only attack at night.

There may be exceptions to that, though....


Last game the spawn overlord did a day attack that did extra damage.. the question is if they have reformed the spawn overlord this game and if he has that ability or not.. Either way time is important.. need to get the mission plans and mission done so we can get out of here.

[jeheinz72]

I don't see the rush yet.. majority of our security personal haven't even been in after night activities.. Who knows what anyone may have seen last night.

Yeah that's what I figured.

[hoopsguy]

As a general note, I thought that the high impact conversion targets for yesteday would have been me or Schmidty. I was packing heat, but exhausted, while Schmidty was rested and weaponless (pretty sure that was the case).

The fact that we had a kill leads me to believe that we are both cool this morning. I know I didn't have anything remotely interesting in my PM, so I'm operating 100% with the idea I'm still good. I'll also leave Schmidty in the "pretty trusted" category along with our guys that hung out in the Brig.

So, here is an updated trust list, in rough order:
Trust (with reason): self, Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path, Schmidty
Semi-trust (by gut): Tyrith, Marc Vaughn
Neutral, but willing to work upwards: Danny, Chubby
Semi-distrust (by virtue of 3-4 away missions): Saldana
Distrust (by gut): Heinz
Distrust (by bad results): LSG

[jeheinz72]

If they damage the engine for more than a single point of damage and do any damage to pretty much anything else we can't lift off anyway. But I can deal with your course of action, for now.

Well, I was hoping Danny wouldn't put his order in, but it looks like it can't be cancelled.

Probably meaningless for me to wait now, but might as well since lift-off is immediate anyway

[jeheinz72]

Distrust (by gut): Heinz


I think I"ve proven the innaccuracies of voting on a gut idea.

[Alan T]

As a general note, I thought that the high impact conversion targets for yesteday would have been me or Schmidty. I was packing heat, but exhausted, while Schmidty was rested and weaponless (pretty sure that was the case).

The fact that we had a kill leads me to believe that we are both cool this morning. I know I didn't have anything remotely interesting in my PM, so I'm operating 100% with the idea I'm still good. I'll also leave Schmidty in the "pretty trusted" category along with our guys that hung out in the Brig.

So, here is an updated trust list, in rough order:
Trust (with reason): self, Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path, Schmidty
Semi-trust (by gut): Tyrith, Marc Vaughn
Neutral, but willing to work upwards: Danny, Chubby
Semi-distrust (by virtue of 3-4 away missions): Saldana
Distrust (by gut): Heinz
Distrust (by bad results): LSG

Your list is somewhat similar to mine except I probably have Danny and Jeheinz swapped, I'd have Schmidty a notch lower just because I can't say with the same certainty that you can what happened to schmidty last night, and I haven't really seen Saldana do anything to make me want to get rid of him.. If anything once we get off the planet, I think Saldana has gone along enough with everything that he at least deserves a doctor scan tommorrow before a lynch (with the thought that our doctors don't blow each other up today with one being a spawn if they scan each other which I hope they do)

[bulletsponge]

i see some people are already trying to get me hanged, particularly the one who started the whole "lets waste or empaths powers on something useless" crap yesterday. anything to take the focus off himself i guess

Vote Chubby

[hoopsguy]

Just trying to map out the impact of losing our trainer. I'm looking to understand the kill - unguarded person, public role, hint of private role?

As far as I can tell, it puts us out of the business of Specialists - which include Dr. Chief Engineer, and Engineers.

Is everyone still feeling hunky-dory about our Engineer team now that there are five of them and we can't backfill them any more?

[oliegirl]

I did not see anything while I was guarding the Security HQ according to my PM. I would really like to spy on someone tonight unless I am needed for security. I have a couple of candidates in mind, but I will leave the final decision up to Alan. We have deadline tonight, but then not again until Monday - correct?

I will be around for most of the day, or at least in and out, but will likely not be around tonight so Hoops and Alan please start thinking about who you'd like phasers to go to and what you'd like me to do tonight so I can get my order in before 7, which is about when I'll be leaving for the night.

[KWhit]

Last game the spawn overlord did a day attack that did extra damage.. the question is if they have reformed the spawn overlord this game and if he has that ability or not.. Either way time is important.. need to get the mission plans and mission done so we can get out of here.

Yes, that was the exception I was talking about.

[hoopsguy]

I think I"ve proven the innaccuracies of voting on a gut idea.

Your gut :p

Seriously, I'm concerned for reasons outlined in the mccollins post. We've had no clearance on any of the engineers, outside of Danny suggesting his Spawn Aware.

I would throw Danny out there as a candidate for a scan soon so we learn whether we can believe him on Spawn Aware. If so, he is helping to clear several engineers.

[Alan T]

Just trying to map out the impact of losing our trainer. I'm looking to understand the kill - unguarded person, public role, hint of private role?

As far as I can tell, it puts us out of the business of Specialists - which include Dr. Chief Engineer, and Engineers.

Is everyone still feeling hunky-dory about our Engineer team now that there are five of them and we can't backfill them any more?

The thing I realized this morning after passacaglia brought up that we didn't get a replacement trainer is that doctors are specialist too.. which means Path and Marc are the only ones of those we will have.. Which is why we pretty much have to have them scan each other today to clear each other PLUS make sure marc doesn't have a spawnling from last night some how.

[KWhit]

Saldana, I assume you can go ahead and put your away team order in, just say that you want to make sure to use the planned mission I'm working on.

[Alan T]

dola as for the engineering team, I feel good about 2, ok about 1 at least.. so even if the other 2 are bad, (more likely 1 might be but not 2) we're fine with them unless we start lynching them..

If we start lynching off good engineers we might have problems later

[jeheinz72]

Your gut :p

Seriously, I'm concerned for reasons outlined in the mccollins post. We've had no clearance on any of the engineers, outside of Danny suggesting his Spawn Aware.

I would throw Danny out there as a candidate for a scan soon so we learn whether we can believe him on Spawn Aware. If so, he is helping to clear several engineers.

I'd agree. I think that's exactly why they took out Collins.

I think you may be correct in asserting that one of the 5 of us is a Spawn. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. You've just picked the wrong one. In order of trust of the 4, I list (most trusted at the top)

1. Tyrith
2. Danny
3. PB
4.
5.
6.
7....
....
....
8675309. clap

[KWhit]

The thing I realized this morning after passacaglia brought up that we didn't get a replacement trainer is that doctors are specialist too.. which means Path and Marc are the only ones of those we will have.. Which is why we pretty much have to have them scan each other today to clear each other PLUS make sure marc doesn't have a spawnling from last night some how.

But if they scan each other and one of them is spawn we lose them both. Maybe we should have them make a few scans of other people first. Then in a day or two have them scan each other?

[jeheinz72]

dola as for the engineering team, I feel good about 2, ok about 1 at least.. so even if the other 2 are bad, (more likely 1 might be but not 2) we're fine with them unless we start lynching them..

If we start lynching off good engineers we might have problems later

I'm going to go back and look for instances when work could've been faked. I don't think there are many, but worth having that list.

I'm with you guys in thinking that there is likely a Spawn engineer.

[Alan T]

I did not see anything while I was guarding the Security HQ according to my PM. I would really like to spy on someone tonight unless I am needed for security. I have a couple of candidates in mind, but I will leave the final decision up to Alan. We have deadline tonight, but then not again until Monday - correct?

I will be around for most of the day, or at least in and out, but will likely not be around tonight so Hoops and Alan please start thinking about who you'd like phasers to go to and what you'd like me to do tonight so I can get my order in before 7, which is about when I'll be leaving for the night.

Once we're in space, it changes things alot.. engines can't be damaged according to the rules, the slave pens won't matter once slaves are destroyed... Cargo hold, Water pump and Security HQ are all that matter at that point. Hopefully Render will make some good decisions about which Security personal to move around to provide more overall flexibility once in space..

We'll still need those three areas guarded, or at least the idea that they will be guarded to keep the spawn guessing.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I think the docs have to scan each other today. Next up, barring any shocking revelations, should be Danny to help (by proxy) us feel better about the other engineers.

[bulletsponge]

The thing I realized this morning after passacaglia brought up that we didn't get a replacement trainer is that doctors are specialist too.. which means Path and Marc are the only ones of those we will have.. Which is why we pretty much have to have them scan each other today to clear each other PLUS make sure marc doesn't have a spawnling from last night some how.

can either medic ( Jackel or myself) be trained as doctors? were both doctors without scaning abilities right now sort of

[Alan T]

But if they scan each other and one of them is spawn we lose them both. Maybe we should have them make a few scans of other people first. Then in a day or two have them scan each other?

I thought about that. . but what if Marc had a spawnling planted last night and is savable?

I guess it is not clear cut which way to go on this issue.. but it only makes sense for them to both scan each other or neither scan each other today at least... After Chubby's empath scan of Marc yesterday, it makes me feel like 99% that neither are a spawn, but it would be best to make sure now before any spawnling take root. (We learned in the past what bad things happen if a spawnling gets to the doctor.

[hoopsguy]

But if they scan each other and one of them is spawn we lose them both. Maybe we should have them make a few scans of other people first. Then in a day or two have them scan each other?

I think that is a risk we take. We've got a nice start to our COT, and if Path is proven good then we (well, at least for me) take a big step up in confidence in that group. If the price we pay to do that is getting our 2nd spawn, so be it.

At that point we are at 20 people, with 2 spawn dead, no seer, some kind of COT, and no chance for future conversions. I like our chances in a conventional game of werewolf, based on how I read that situation.

[Alan T]

Yeah, I think the docs have to scan each other today. Next up, barring any shocking revelations, should be Danny to help (by proxy) us feel better about the other engineers.


I've been keeping my eye on the Danny and Purdue Brad situation regarding their claims after mine from a few days before...

I got complete information on what my secret role was last night finally in PM... I'm interested in hearing if the same is true for Danny and PB.

[KWhit]

As a general note, I thought that the high impact conversion targets for yesteday would have been me or Schmidty. I was packing heat, but exhausted, while Schmidty was rested and weaponless (pretty sure that was the case).

The fact that we had a kill leads me to believe that we are both cool this morning. I know I didn't have anything remotely interesting in my PM, so I'm operating 100% with the idea I'm still good. I'll also leave Schmidty in the "pretty trusted" category along with our guys that hung out in the Brig.

Just be careful about that thinking with Schmidty. I think spawn can have multiple attacks per night. It's possible that there was both a conversion attempt and a night kill last night.

In fact, I think that's likely. Why would the spawn waste their last night to attempt a conversion? (assuming we lift off today)....

[KWhit]

I've been keeping my eye on the Danny and Purdue Brad situation regarding their claims after mine from a few days before...

I got complete information on what my secret role was last night finally in PM... I'm interested in hearing if the same is true for Danny and PB.


I'm very interested in that as well.

[Alan T]

Just be careful about that thinking with Schmidty. I think spawn can have multiple attacks per night. It's possible that there was both a conversion attempt and a night kill last night.

In fact, I think that's likely. Why would the spawn waste their last night to attempt a conversion? (assuming we lift off today)....


I agree, that is what I was trying to say in an earlier post... Schmidty is way down the list of people I'd look at but I'd have him just a notch down from Hoops's group list is all.. I have Schmidty, marc Vaughn both in the same category right now.

[path12]

Well, never mind my suggestion to scan mickey c, path.

That's OK -- I missed your suggestion! I guess that either collins as a trainer or MV would have been the prime targets last night.

[hoopsguy]

Expanding on this a bit - if I'm a seer, I see my job as getting one wolf. I'm likely to be traded in the process, but I've done my job if I can deliver that. If I'm able to get a wolf + create a COT, then that is just gravy.

If Marc was Spawn, survived an empath scan, and takes out Path in the process? Thanks for playing, Path. Good game. See you next time.

If Marc is good, but Path is bad? Well, we absolutely need that info as early as possible. In that case, thanks for playing, Marc. Glad you got promoted and fulfilled the primary seer objective. See you next time (hopefully before Spawn IV).

[Alan T]

Expanding on this a bit - if I'm a seer, I see my job as getting one wolf. I'm likely to be traded in the process, but I've done my job if I can deliver that. If I'm able to get a wolf + create a COT, then that is just gravy.

If Marc was Spawn, survived an empath scan, and takes out Path in the process? Thanks for playing, Path. Good game. See you next time.

If Marc is good, but Path is bad? Well, we absolutely need that info as early as possible. In that case, thanks for playing, Marc. Glad you got promoted and fulfilled the primary seer objective. See you next time (hopefully before Spawn IV).


Agreed

[path12]

I think Crys for sure. I'd like to see us lift off with a buffer of 10.

I don't know how vital the water is to actually go get (at the risk of infection). We're 5 repair units from fixing it, and we have 6 units both during the day today and tonight.

As exhausted as you guys are it might take some extra. There's got to be some failures coming at some point considering it's been two-three day and nights straight for some of you.

[saldana]

away team order submitted

do we have to vote for liftoff?

[Alan T]

away team order submitted

do we have to vote for liftoff?


No, it is one of my action abilities.

[hoopsguy]

Just be careful about that thinking with Schmidty. I think spawn can have multiple attacks per night. It's possible that there was both a conversion attempt and a night kill last night.

In fact, I think that's likely. Why would the spawn waste their last night to attempt a conversion? (assuming we lift off today)....

Yep, we were both outside. There is some risk there. But the spawn success rate goes up with numbers, so that is where the loss of Telle would have hurt them. Also, they might not be able to fully coordinate with some of the conversion people, depending on how many Spawn there are (Council is 3 oldest, with up to 3 PMs to each other).

[path12]

Marc Vaughn and Path, we need to figure out a way to do scans and get alot of this funny business behind us... Marc since you don't have any empath scans left, you're full time doctor now..

I think best thing would be to have you two scan each other.. If one happens to be a spawn, then well Path said he was ready to find spawns now..

This also helps if they tried to plant a spawnling in Marc last night.. and helps us solidify our CoT..

It only is bad if BOTH of you are spawn already which I think is very low probability

I'll scan Marc first -- it's the move that makes the most sense since I've been in the brig. If all goes well then he can scan me.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana and his somewhat intrepid band of slaves go out for another mining mission.

[The Jackal]

Nicely done, sorry for missing the vote. I did win the poker game on a 5/6 clubs in a three-way hand, though. :)

[Alan T]

By the way, I feel pretty good likelihood that both scans will turn up as good, or worst case, Path will find a spawnling in Marc..

Chubby pushed too hard for a vote against marc yesterday and only backed off once he got enough flak from everyone to scan Marc.. I don't see the way that move occured being a spawn trying to build trust for another spawn.. once Chubby said his empath scan of marc was true, it meant to me that either Chubby and Marc both were good empaths, or Chubby was bad and faked the scan but Marc was still good.

For Path, it still is kind of metagaming reasons, but I don't think the initial doctor starts off as a spawn.. that is pretty rough.. but on top of that, I feel very strong possibility that nothing bad has happened to kwhit since he's been in the brig with Path, and I know nothing has happened to me..

So I think there is a high probability both are good, but this is one of those things that has to be found out now for obvious reasons.

[jeheinz72]

Nicely done, sorry for missing the vote. I did win the poker game on a 5/6 clubs in a three-way hand, though. :)

Suited connectors, nice. Though I'd hope you had the chip lead when you did that.

[Barkeep49]

When the away team comes back you discover you have 18 more units of Crystillium than you had before.

[Barkeep49]

Suited connectors, nice. Though I'd hope you had the chip lead when you did that.
And I hope he was the one who made the first all-in.

[Alan T]

I IMMEDIATELY ORDER LIFT OFF

[hoopsguy]

Hand history, please.

Also, once we are done with our reviews of the play Lathum can come in and tell us that we all suck at poker :)

[saldana]

nice, lets get the hell out of here

kill the slaves.

[hoopsguy]

A hearty round of golf claps for our Captain's lift off decision.

[path12]

Good job, Sal. I've placed the order for the scan, BTW.

[jeheinz72]

Nice, once BK confirms we've lifted off, I'll get to work on water.

[hoopsguy]

Cool, hoping that the results come up quickly enough for me to factor into a vote today.

[Passacaglia]

Do we still need engineers after lift off?

[path12]

Do we still need engineers after lift off?

As long as we've got broken shit, we need engineers, IMO.

[Alan T]

Do we still need engineers after lift off?


Yes, we need to have the water pump fixed, would be nice to have some more beds fixed.. but also just in case more damage is done to water pumps later would be good to have some to fix it if needed. (or cargo hold damage once in space)

[hoopsguy]

Er, I don't think the Spawn stuff makes a difference on the vote other than trying to discern intent on Mccollins.

[jeheinz72]

Do we still need engineers after lift off?

Some, yes.

All 5 of us, likely no, even I'll admit that.

[PackerFanatic]

Hooray for liftoff! Nice job on the mining mission, sal.

[Tyrith]

Aaaand we're boned.

[Alan T]

Aaaand we're boned.

huh?

[saldana]

Aaaand we're boned.

what are you talking about?

[LoneStarGirl]

As a general note, I thought that the high impact conversion targets for yesteday would have been me or Schmidty. I was packing heat, but exhausted, while Schmidty was rested and weaponless (pretty sure that was the case).

The fact that we had a kill leads me to believe that we are both cool this morning. I know I didn't have anything remotely interesting in my PM, so I'm operating 100% with the idea I'm still good. I'll also leave Schmidty in the "pretty trusted" category along with our guys that hung out in the Brig.

So, here is an updated trust list, in rough order:
Trust (with reason): self, Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path, Schmidty
Semi-trust (by gut): Tyrith, Marc Vaughn
Neutral, but willing to work upwards: Danny, Chubby
Semi-distrust (by virtue of 3-4 away missions): Saldana
Distrust (by gut): Heinz
Distrust (by bad results): LSG

I am distrusted because I went on a mission with you and we came back with little to show for it? Makes sense

[Barkeep49]

The ship lifts-off. But just as landing on the planet was difficult, so too is taking off. The engines seem to strain to get enough power to lift the massive ship off the ground. Finally the ship breaks through the atmosphere, and into space, accompanied by klaxons blaring from about every control panel possible. Engineers stop what they are doing to update the status of the various compartments. And what they find, does not reassure the crew.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Damaged (Non Operational) 6 cycles to repair
Cargo Hold - Damaged 3 cycles to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 3 cycles to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Damaged 2 cycles to repair
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

Note that repairs in progress are not factored into this damage status.

[PackerFanatic]

The pens have to be undamaged in order to kill all, right? Or do they just need to be in there? I would highly suggest if we do it now, kill the slaves to avoid further damage ATM.

[Tyrith]

BTW BK had made a post and deleted it, hence my comment.

[Barkeep49]

Aaaand we're boned.
I had the lift-off post up for about 30 seconds when I accidentally hit submit without having the damage report in there. I deleted the post, but Tyrith saw it before I had deleted it.

[Tyrith]

Probably should have killed the slaves before we left the ground :P

[hoopsguy]

I am distrusted because I went on a mission with you and we came back with little to show for it? Makes sense

Sure, two people went on a planned mission. One of them is proven to be good (me) the other is not (you). The results were really, really, bad ... worse than those produced by the mission led by a known spawn.

Now I'm sure that there is a random element to the results - so I'm not considering this any kind of a hanging offense, but it is enough to ask questions.

[PackerFanatic]

And unless anyone else has something for us to do, LSG and I should probably research today so we can get those phasers fixed.

[Barkeep49]

"Dr. Vaughan I would appreciate the courtesy of submitting to an examination before you begin your duties," Dr. 12 says. After a suitable time later the two men can be seen conducting routine duties in the infirmary.

[Passacaglia]

accompanied by klaxons blaring from about every control panel possible.

Sorry if my blaring the Klaxons if it distracted anyone. But come on, "Myths of the Near Future" is such a good album, it was worth it!

[Alan T]

How many engineers are left available today? Jeheinz waited, anyone else?

Need to fix the 2 damage on the slave pen right now. I went through a bunch of PMs with BK regarding the slaves being killed.. I couldn't kill them and lift off on the same day, I couldn't kill them at night while in the brig, etc..

The slaves won't necessarily escape if there is damage. There is only a chance they will.. so we can hope that they don't escape and riot this time and I'll kill them tonight. (I can't kill them today on the same day as a lift off)

[Alan T]

How many engineers are left available today? Jeheinz waited, anyone else?

Need to fix the 2 damage on the slave pen right now. I went through a bunch of PMs with BK regarding the slaves being killed.. I couldn't kill them and lift off on the same day, I couldn't kill them at night while in the brig, etc..

The slaves won't necessarily escape if there is damage. There is only a chance they will.. so we can hope that they don't escape and riot this time and I'll kill them tonight. (I can't kill them today on the same day as a lift off)


Dola.. if only jeheinz is available then its worthless for him to work on the slave pens today as he won't be enough to fix them anyways..

If we have 2 engineers left, fix the pens to prevent a riot if only 1, then fix something else and we'll have to take the chance they won't riot.

Surely we won't get bad luck there two times..

[saldana]

How many engineers are left available today? Jeheinz waited, anyone else?

Need to fix the 2 damage on the slave pen right now. I went through a bunch of PMs with BK regarding the slaves being killed.. I couldn't kill them and lift off on the same day, I couldn't kill them at night while in the brig, etc..

The slaves won't necessarily escape if there is damage. There is only a chance they will.. so we can hope that they don't escape and riot this time and I'll kill them tonight. (I can't kill them today on the same day as a lift off)


i wonder if having me guard the pens will keep them inside?

[PackerFanatic]

Surely we won't get bad luck there two times..

Knock on wood!!!

[Alan T]

I'm posting alot without fully thinking through my thoughts because I'm about to leave for most of the rest of the day..

Seems like if only jeheinz is left, he should start on the cargo hold to have it fixed over night so we have water for tommorrow and then we can finish the water pump.. We need to have the cargo hold fixed so crystlium doesn't leak out...

Also no phaser fixing yet until cargo hold is fixed.. we may need all of that crystlium if we can't get the cargo hold fixed in time.

[Passacaglia]

I guess we do need the brig. Any ETA on when it will be fixed? I'm cool with making it a low priority.

[jeheinz72]

Well, looks like I"m not that foolish for waiting on my order to repair the water...

We've got 5 units headed already to water (assuming no fakies). So I can either

A) Finish off the water repairs
B) Get us nearly done on the slave pens (1 left then)
C) Get us to two left on the Cargo Hold or Security HQ

Thoughts?

[Passacaglia]

I guess we do need the brig. Any ETA on when it will be fixed? I'm cool with making it a low priority.

I meant, I guess we do need the ENGINEERS.

[Alan T]

i wonder if having me guard the pens will keep them inside?


I think your guarding them is night time only action and only prevents spawn damage to them right? You can try and see if it is also allowed during the day if you want.. but my understanding is that it is just a random roll with a small chance of riot (since we had damage alot last game without a riot).. so unless our luck is crappy we hopefully won't have another riot.

[Passacaglia]

And I meant I'm cool with making the brig a low priority. We've got more cleared than we can fit in there anyway, so the spawn can attack someone cleared if they want to.

[PackerFanatic]

Also no phaser fixing yet until cargo hold is fixed.. we may need all of that crystlium if we can't get the cargo hold fixed in time.

Well, we need to research it first anyway, and that takes 2 cycles. LSG and I can both do 1, so if there is nothing else for us to do, we can do that today so we can repair them at a later date.

[jeheinz72]

Frankly, Danny not waiting is suspicious, IMO. I don't see why he put that order in (not that I see why the first 3 people did, but I at least posted the wait idea after they already had)

Scanning Danny should be creeping up on the priority list of the doc's.

[Alan T]

Well, looks like I"m not that foolish for waiting on my order to repair the water...

We've got 5 units headed already to water (assuming no fakies). So I can either

A) Finish off the water repairs
B) Get us nearly done on the slave pens (1 left then)
C) Get us to two left on the Cargo Hold or Security HQ

Thoughts?

If you are the only engineer available, slave pen is worthless.. they'll either still be in there tonight for me to kill them or they won't and we will have other problems.

We need the cargo hold fixed tonight so crystlium doesn't leak out plus we can get one more day worth of water from it.

[Alan T]

Well, we need to research it first anyway, and that takes 2 cycles. LSG and I can both do 1, so if there is nothing else for us to do, we can do that today so we can repair them at a later date.


Sounds fine then.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I trust Alan and his ok to do the Cargo Hold is all I need.

PM'ing BK now.

[Barkeep49]

heinz gets to work on the Cargo hold, joining his fellow engineers in mid-song.

[bulletsponge]

woot we took off, but the ship fell apart.

[Tyrith]

Brig is of significantly diminished value now, as a cleared dying is much, much better than a cleared being converted.

We'll need to both guard and fix the hold and the plant tonight. All other concerns are secondary.

[LoneStarGirl]

so everybody agreed they want packer and i to research phazers today?

[jeheinz72]

Ok, so assuming no fake-age or additional break-age, here's what we're looking at heading into the night

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

It's my understanding that clap has already put in to follow Tyrith. The question is, do we spread out, knowing that faking damage will be near impossible, or do we prioritize and over-work the key areas?

[jeheinz72]

Theoretically, we could get 3 things operational tonight (Security, Water and Hold or Pens)

[Alan T]

Ok, so assuming no fake-age or additional break-age, here's what we're looking at heading into the night

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

It's my understanding that clap has already put in to follow Tyrith. The question is, do we spread out, knowing that faking damage will be near impossible, or do we prioritize and over-work the key areas?


I agree with tyrith that the security HQ isn't as important now.. Security personal should probably factor in guarding the hold and the plant (Schmidty+1 other), also security needs to consider protecting or watching our doctors as well as at least for tonight me.. I don't care if I die later now we are off the planet, but i need to kill the slaves tonight, so don't let the spawn kill me tonight at least.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, I can kill the slaves as long as they are in the pens even if it has some damage right?


I need to leave now.. I'll check in at some point later when I get done travelling..

If BK's answer is the hold has to be completely repaired, then we'll need to do that + Cargo hold tonight. Good luck all!

[Tyrith]

I'd say we need to get either the water plant or the cargo hold working for sure -- my preference would be the water. And then the slave pens, and then the either of the other two things. The Security HQ guards the quarters and the pens, and the quarters are totally broke and the pens are about to be irrelevant. It loses us the brig, but that's somethign we'll have to deal with for now.

I'd say put the most trusted engineer on the Plant, but by consensus and evidence that's going to be me and that's suboptimal. So I'm not sure yet what we should do.

[Passacaglia]

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

[PackerFanatic]

Phazers with a z. I like it.

Let's research!

[path12]

Happy to report Marc Vaughan is human.

[LoneStarGirl]

how long will it take us to research it if we both do it today packer?

[jeheinz72]

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

[Barkeep49]

The slave pens must be undamaged to kill them.

[Tyrith]

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

[PackerFanatic]

how long will it take us to research it if we both do it today packer?

Should just be today.

[PackerFanatic]

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

And that was 13 :)

[jeheinz72]

I'd say we need to get either the water plant or the cargo hold working for sure -- my preference would be the water. And then the slave pens, and then the either of the other two things. The Security HQ guards the quarters and the pens, and the quarters are totally broke and the pens are about to be irrelevant. It loses us the brig, but that's somethign we'll have to deal with for now.

I'd say put the most trusted engineer on the Plant, but by consensus and evidence that's going to be me and that's suboptimal. So I'm not sure yet what we should do.

What if we do you and clap on the pens
Then 2 out of (Me, Danny, PB), or even all 3, on the cargo hold.

We'd get those 2 completely set. Then in the AM we can tackle the plant and HQ (if HQ is even needed).


Additionally, I'm going to have to put in orders in advance for Night 4 (of course) plus Day 5 and Night 5, since I won't be back online until Tuesday AM.

I hate to tail someone as well, since clap is tailing the person I'd tail if I had a choice. Maybe on both cases of Day/Night 5 I should just work on the beds?

[jeheinz72]

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

I've never actually watched that show (and I hear I'm a fool for that fact).

[PackerFanatic]

I've never actually watched that show (and I hear I'm a fool for that fact).

Indeed you are

[Tyrith]

What if we do you and clap on the pens
Then 2 out of (Me, Danny, PB), or even all 3, on the cargo hold.

We'd get those 2 completely set. Then in the AM we can tackle the plant and HQ (if HQ is even needed).


Additionally, I'm going to have to put in orders in advance for Night 4 (of course) plus Day 5 and Night 5, since I won't be back online until Tuesday AM.

I hate to tail someone as well, since clap is tailing the person I'd tail if I had a choice. Maybe on both cases of Day/Night 5 I should just work on the beds?

I prefer plant over hold, I don't think two phases of leakage is going to kill us, and in the long term the plant is going to be what we need to keep us going -- but I'm open to convincing on this point.

[Barkeep49]

Quick note on leakage: The formula involves decimals. I will not be rounding so if there is .9 leakage the full amount will still be listed, even if that's not quite accurate. However, if the next day sees 1.1 leakage 2 units will decrease. Please note that these are just samples and may or may not reflect actual leakage rates.

[path12]

Have I mentioned how awesome the name "Dr. 12" is?

Straight out of James Bond baby.

I may have to start calling myself that. The doctor is IN, baby!!

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

[jeheinz72]

I prefer plant over hold, I don't think two phases of leakage is going to kill us, and in the long term the plant is going to be what we need to keep us going -- but I'm open to convincing on this point.

True, we do have quite the buffer, 20 more than we need, which could be enough.

[jeheinz72]

I'm looking at my distrust list of

Saldana (for the reasons hoops mentioned)

Pass (very strange anti-Telle-lynch)

bulltsponge (for his instant follow onto MV's plan, like he wanted that to get a lot of steam to compete against Telle)

[oliegirl]

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

[Tyrith]

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

About a 45 percent chance by what I can calculate, although some of that is the chance he's a spawnling. I can deal with this vote, and I might follow you.

[Tyrith]

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

Forgot about that. In my mind that doesn't change the priority list any; we need water to drink, the slaves dead, and then we can worry about attack bonuses, I think. But it's a motivation to actually do something about it eventually.

[saldana]

OK, I'm heading out the door at this point. My trust list was posted this morning if people are curious about my thoughts on the game while making decisions today - nothing dramatic has taken place since that time so they still hold.

I'm going to put the vote on Saldana - only because I'm not going to be able to take part in any other discussions.

10% chance of being spawn/spawnling from his 4 missions
+ standard chance of starting
= better than 50/50 shot, as far as I can tell

VOTE SALDANA

i have been prepared for this since the 1st day of the game, so i cant say i am surprised at all, and there is really no way to defend the math.

the only thing i can say in my defense is that I had the three most productive mining missions WITHOUT benefit of any scientists.

i did alot with no help, and i have been exactly where i have said i would be every night, which has been vouched for by either another player or the night result write up.

[Passacaglia]

Ummm - why? If I'm remembering correctly, when the HQ is fixed we can't access the phasers to distribute them. Wouldnt' NOT having phasers to fight/kill the slaves or spawn with be a BAD thing?

That's a good point -- I was just thinking I didn't need to use the brig that much.

[KWhit]

i have been prepared for this since the 1st day of the game, so i cant say i am surprised at all, and there is really no way to defend the math.

the only thing i can say in my defense is that I had the three most productive mining missions WITHOUT benefit of any scientists.

i did alot with no help, and i have been exactly where i have said i would be every night, which has been vouched for by either another player or the night result write up.

Yeah, I'd rather not vote for you, but I'd need to find a pretty good candidate to vote for to overlook those odds.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, saldana, you haven't done anything at all to strike me as a wolf. The math clearly has it in for you, but there isn't anything damning like there was with Telle, and that was ultimately what got the momentum behind her. So I understand it from a 11 am have to leave vote, but I suspect when I make my vote (in an hour and a half) it might be for someone else.

[KWhit]

I say don't the the HQ at all -- even if you guys can do more work, put it in the sleeping quarters.

Sleeping quarters?

I disagree. The brig is still important for keeping our doctors safe, and phasers are nice as well.

I think the security HQ falls behind the slave pens, water generator, and cargo hold, but way above the sleeping quarters.

[Barkeep49]

PackerFanatic is seen entering his lab to preform some experiments.

[LoneStarGirl]

Yeah, I'd rather not vote for you, but I'd need to find a pretty good candidate to vote for to overlook those odds.

I always think we have better success if we have two people going up for the lynch...

[jeheinz72]

I'm going to go ahead and cast a stone.

Vote Passacaglia

Odds wise, only the starting 15%, I don't know much about his night action time, but

- There have been some fishy instances with the bring

- And it seemed to me that he really really really didn't want to see Telle lynched, casting aspersion on both myself for picking Telle over the Cubby/MV mess and Olie when he was doing the same thing she did

[Passacaglia]

- And it seemed to me that he really really really didn't want to see Telle lynched, casting aspersion on both myself for picking Telle over the Cubby/MV mess and Olie when he was doing the same thing she did

Post 2577 disagrees with that.

[jeheinz72]

Post 2577 disagrees with that.

Not really, considering your vote was on Alan of all people at the time and you had only switched from No Lynch to Telle 12 minutes before hand, after Saldana drove the proverbial stake in Telle's chances of anything fishy.

For you to essentially do one thing while saying "I'll pile back on to look good if I need to" doesn't speak much to me.

Not when compared to brow-beating Olie for her doing a similar thing and I frankly still don't understand the problem you had with me taking the more sure route (Telle) over attempting to decipher the Chubby/MV mess.

[Passacaglia]

To clarify -- when I asked you about your vote switch, I just didn't want it to go unnoticed that you voted hoops, then unvoted in the middle of all that stuff, but voted back for the other side. Just seemed strange. I did allow for the fact that path's scan of hoops might have been in the middle of it. I checked and verified that later, but didn't mention it -- I figured I'd just drop it.

[Passacaglia]

Not really, considering your vote was on Alan of all people at the time and you had only switched from No Lynch to Telle 12 minutes before hand, after Saldana drove the proverbial stake in Telle's chances of anything fishy.

For you to essentially do one thing while saying "I'll pile back on to look good if I need to" doesn't speak much to me.

Not when compared to brow-beating Olie for her doing a similar thing and I frankly still don't understand the problem you had with me taking the more sure route (Telle) over attempting to decipher the Chubby/MV mess.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with your vote. I maintain that what olie did is a lot different from what I did -- if you want me to explain that, I will.

[jeheinz72]

Like I said, I don't have a problem with your vote. I maintain that what olie did is a lot different from what I did -- if you want me to explain that, I will.

Yeah, my vote should've been crystal clear. I was all after hoops until he was scanned and then of course wouldn't vote him and additionally gave a ton of creedence to his night results.

I would like to hear how you feel your course of action differs from olie's