LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Barkeep49]

but during the night would come up false is what you are implying :)
Statements made at night by the Spawn would reflect the player being a spawn.

[hoopsguy]

It would also help with promotions - Saldana's role is going away with the slave pens, so I would like to see him moved to another function if he is cleared.

[Passacaglia]

Looks like olie was here, then left.

[Passacaglia]

Chubby, if you're suspicious of hoops (I haven't caught up much on the case against him, so I won't comment on if I personally think you should be), then you should probably find a night statement of his to check. If you want, I can check out saldana.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I guess that is a better play because I've already come up good from a Dr. scan once. So find a night statement where I saw "I'm not a spawn" and use it if that is important to establish trust.

I'll help find one if people feel strongly on this point.

[Chubby]

Chubby, if you're suspicious of hoops (I haven't caught up much on the case against him, so I won't comment on if I personally think you should be), then you should probably find a night statement of his to check. If you want, I can check out saldana.

Hoops isn't that high on my list as are some others. Even Saldana I'm not super high on because of his results on missions but I do see the benefit of clearing him to eliminate the math play for the spawn and also to aid with promotions (as hoops just mentioned)

After bullet I am most suspicious of Mrs Schmidty. I haven't seen her on at all today (olie was on but I didn't get a response to my interrogation email so not sure if she works during the day and was just popping in or what is going on but I better get a response before the end of the day and hopefully before I go to work so I can report).

bullet has also all but disappeared and his voting with the MV just raises too many flags for me. Yes I know he's a dink sometimes playing WW but he could be using it to his advantage and the voting is just too weird.

My suggestion for the day is this:
I scan saldana - this eliminates the math excuse for wolves, hopefully clears him for promotions.
you scan mrs schmidty - we're both investigating the two that were supposed to be protecting last night.
vote - how everyone sees fit. My vote is still on bullet right now.

thoughts?

[PackerFanatic]

Yeah I am really anxious to hear what olie and Mrs. Schmidty have to say about guarding the doctors as well.

[Passacaglia]

What's this interrogation thing about? Is that the same thing hoops had?

[Chubby]

What's this interrogation thing about? Is that the same thing hoops had?


Yes.

[hoopsguy]

I was scanned by Path (Dr) on Day 3.

Interrogation is a PM conversation between characters, initiated by the security officer. Since I was the security officer, I was not "interrogated" by anyone, but I did talk with Path on D1.

I have not been empath scanned at any point this game.

[Chubby]

i have never performed a night attack of any kind during this game

I am going to send this in as my scan. I only have an hour before I have to leave for work and can't risk sending it in too late and having to leave for work or not hearing back.

[oliegirl]

Olie, I would really like to hear an explanation when you get here.

I sent in a PM to guard MV last night. In the PM I rec'd this morning it said that I while I was guarding him, he was attacked by Spawn - since I didn't have a phaser (HQ is down - no guns), I was unable to fight him off and also that I managed to escape un-injured.

I was not told that I was wandering the ship with Mrs. Schmidty, only that I saw her during the night, but details weren't given.

I'm catching up on the last page now - been slammed at work all morning so I've been in the thread but not able to read it for a while...

[KWhit]

I sent in a PM to guard MV last night. In the PM I rec'd this morning it said that I while I was guarding him, he was attacked by Spawn - since I didn't have a phaser (HQ is down - no guns), I was unable to fight him off and also that I managed to escape un-injured.

I was not told that I was wandering the ship with Mrs. Schmidty, only that I saw her during the night, but details weren't given.

I'm catching up on the last page now - been slammed at work all morning so I've been in the thread but not able to read it for a while...

I don't buy this. I think that if Olie was guarding someone who was attacked she'd end up wounded.

[hoopsguy]

I sent in a PM to guard MV last night. In the PM I rec'd this morning it said that I while I was guarding him, he was attacked by Spawn - since I didn't have a phaser (HQ is down - no guns), I was unable to fight him off and also that I managed to escape un-injured.


From the rules:
Protect Night Only May choose to protect a person or location against attack. If there is an attack on that person/place the attack will occur between the Sergeant-at-Arms and the attacker(s). If the Security Crewman is armed he will receive an additional bonus. Protect has a much smaller positive effect against a Spawn Attack. 1 AP


This doesn't really seem to match up very well. If you guard, the attack is against you and not the target. The phaser gives you a bonus for success, a lack of one doesn't keep you from guarding.

I'm very comfortable that you are Spawn at this point, given your explanation being contradictory to the rules, but I'm not sure that you are the first one I want to vote for today. I'll wait to see the results of the other scans, but if they come back negative you have my vote.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm caught up and will put in an order to work on the slave pens although given that Saldana is the percentage play here AND he guarded the pens last night and they still took damage, that is likely the way I'm going to go with my vote.

Although I am looking into one more possibility that goes back to some of last night's discussion where I may have been too quick to trust someone absolutely.

[Alan T]

I sent in a PM to guard MV last night. In the PM I rec'd this morning it said that I while I was guarding him, he was attacked by Spawn - since I didn't have a phaser (HQ is down - no guns), I was unable to fight him off and also that I managed to escape un-injured.

I was not told that I was wandering the ship with Mrs. Schmidty, only that I saw her during the night, but details weren't given.

I'm catching up on the last page now - been slammed at work all morning so I've been in the thread but not able to read it for a while...

That is not how the rules say your role works:

Protect Night Only May choose to protect a person or location against attack. If there is an attack on that person/place the attack will occur between the Sergeant-at-Arms and the attacker(s). If the Security Crewman is armed he will receive an additional bonus. Protect has a much smaller positive effect against a Spawn Attack. 1 AP

[hoopsguy]

It is nice to see that Alan and I can agree on something.

[Chubby]

still waiting to hear back from Barkeep but it's looking like I'm going to change my vote before I leave for work.

[Chubby]

so far olie hasn't said anything inconsistent with what she has posted in the thread. not that that means anything either way, just updating.

[KWhit]

Damn, Alan, you are not the person who is the ideal candidate to be vouching for KWhit at this point in the game.

This is far from crazy/improbable - you also said you suspect security. If Mrs Schmidty was a starting Spawn she could absolutely have gone after KWhit on N1. You were in the Brig with him on N2.

I also watched Olie on N1 and saw her spy on Saldana. So she could not have been involved with any kind of illicit activity on N1. This is why I distrust Mrs Schmidty more. Greater risk, more days where she could have been involved with Spawn-like actions.

Hoops, for someone who has been spouting off percentages all game, why are you focusing on such a long shot?

Alan and I have both been cleared by Path - proven good. We are vouching for each other with the Absolute trust. He and I hinted at it to each other well before anyone else mentioned anything about it.

I think Alan has actually been cleared more than once even? Wasn't an empath scan used that pretty much cleared him as well. I don't remember the specifics, because I haven't been concerned with his guilt or innocence since I KNOW HE'S INNOCENT, but I remember a post he laid out how he had been cleared multiple times.

It feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth - "Let's focus on the statistical probablities of who is likely to be spawn" and then "Well if A happened and then B happened and then C or D happened but not E, F, or G, then Alan and KWhit are spawn. Come on. And it's not like we've done anything suspicious! We've been working as hard as anyone to help the villagers.

You're distracting everyone by focusing on us.

[Chubby]

i have never performed a night attack of any kind during this game - saldana

I am going to send this in as my scan. I only have an hour before I have to leave for work and can't risk sending it in too late and having to leave for work or not hearing back.


This came back as true.

[Chubby]

Hoops, for someone who has been spouting off percentages all game, why are you focusing on such a long shot?

Alan and I have both been cleared by Path - proven good. We are vouching for each other with the Absolute trust. He and I hinted at it to each other well before anyone else mentioned anything about it.

I think Alan has actually been cleared more than once even? Wasn't an empath scan used that pretty much cleared him as well. I don't remember the specifics, because I haven't been concerned with his guilt or innocence since I KNOW HE'S INNOCENT, but I remember a post he laid out how he had been cleared multiple times.

It feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth - "Let's focus on the statistical probablities of who is likely to be spawn" and then "Well if A happened and then B happened and then C or D happened but not E, F, or G, then Alan and KWhit are spawn. Come on. And it's not like we've done anything suspicious! We've been working as hard as anyone to help the villagers.

You're distracting everyone by focusing on us.

I'd have to dig up the exact quote but my empath scan of MV was to check to see if he scanned alan for saying he was scanned and came up cleared (or something to that effect) which came back true.

[KWhit]

Vote Oliegirl.

I want to get a vote out there early and she looks seriously spawnish to me.

[PurdueBrad]

You Did it Again (to "Ooops...I Did it Again" by Britney Spears)

No No No No No
No No No No No No

I think you did it again
You made us believe that you were our friends
Oh slavey, everything you touch you crush
and things are getting serious
'Cause me to lose all my sleep
Why can't you just let us be
Oh slavey, slavey

Ooops...you did it again
you destroyed your pen
and we might lose this game
Oh slavey, slavey
Oops! We think that it's fixed
but we've only been tricked
You're not that innocent

You see my problem is this
I could be dreaming away
while the heroes, they carry phasers
but instead I cry
working night and day with no pay
I'm a fool in so many ways
But to lose all my sleep,
that is just so typically sucky,
Slavey

Oooops you did it again
you destroyed your pen
and we might just lose this game
Oh slavey, slavey
Ooops we think that it's fixed
but we've only been tricked
You're not that innocent

No No No No No No
No
No No No No No

[hoopsguy]

I followed Olie on Night 1 and she did use her action to spy on Saldana. I announced this publicly. This initially made me think that she would be a good conversion target for N2 (I wouldn't follow the same person twice, she used a spy action, what are the chances she guards herself that night?) but if that is the case she would be spawnling on D3 and full spawn D4, correct?

I would love to have gotten a member of the Council here, but I'm pretty skeptical of this. We certainly have the option to string her up and see what happens, but I think the other two targets both have a little higher chance of being Spawn.

Also, of mild interest, this is the third female Spawn in the game. I'm not making it out to be some kind of weird methodology for the bad guys, but it is statistically improbable.

[Chubby]

I'm going to have to agree with KWhit especially since I have to leave for work soon (and I don't want IHOF results to distract me into forgetting)

Lynch oliegirl

maybe something else will come up throughout the day but I won't be here :( right now she's the best bet ahead of bullet

[PurdueBrad]

KWhit, what night were you given Alan's name as your Absolute Trust partner?

[path12]

Go crew! Thanks for the guarding. :P

Fun game, BK. Thanks!

[claphamsa]

vote oligirl!

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, for someone who has been spouting off percentages all game, why are you focusing on such a long shot?

(more stuff)

You're distracting everyone by focusing on us.

KWhit, did you play the first spawn game? If so, you'll recall that I obsessed over risk management with the doctor when Vince scanned Raiders Army. The biggest risk we had was the assumption that our doctor was still good and trusting him for the duration of the game. That was kind of a longshot, but it was important to remove it from the board so we could move onto other parties without worrying about it.

The same concept is in play here - a false COT is how you lose the game.

Now, applying math to the game is a different matter entirely. The math comes into play, at least for me, as one tool to help guide actions.

Again, I get where it is frustrating for you to have me question this if you know you are good. But I'm not going to apologize for wanting to work through the variables around the trust list, particularly with the most important remaining people in the game.

[KWhit]

KWhit, what night were you given Alan's name as your Absolute Trust partner?

Heh. Funny you should ask. I haven't yet. I just know from the thread.

Lots of evidence in the stuff Alan posted matched my nightly experiences in becoming aware that I'm in the Absolute Trust.

[Barkeep49]

PurdueBrad take his suddenly slutty uniform to the Slave Pen to enact some repairs.

[oliegirl]

All I know is what I was told in my PM, and I'm not a spawn. You can vote for me, but with the 3 person loss we took last night, voting off a villager is not going to help you at all.

[PurdueBrad]

PurdueBrad take his suddenly slutty uniform to the Slave Pen to enact some repairs.

Did the GM just refer to me as slutty?




I'm so proud.

[Alan T]

KWhit, what night were you given Alan's name as your Absolute Trust partner?


I can answer this question if you would like me to. Not sure if you wanted kwhit to though or not.

[PurdueBrad]

If everyone wants to follow along with Oliegirl, I'll change. But for now:

vote Saldana

[hoopsguy]

All I know is what I was told in my PM, and I'm not a spawn. You can vote for me, but with the 3 person loss we took last night, voting off a villager is not going to help you at all.

That argument is almost as compelling as the one Telle offered.

"I don't know why I would be seeking or concentrating - I must have been looking for a bed".

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah Alan, go for it, because we need to get verification of who is connected with who from a trust standpoint.

[Alan T]

Heh. Funny you should ask. I haven't yet. I just know from the thread.

Lots of evidence in the stuff Alan posted matched my nightly experiences in becoming aware that I'm in the Absolute Trust.

Oh nevermind, Kwhit answered before I refreshed the page... His response is the same as mine. and also why I feel trust in you PB .. based on what you responded after my posts.

It never gives the name, but it told me what group the absolute trust was in, and Kwhit dropped other clues around the same time that helped pin it down.

[hoopsguy]

Purdue, you might want to pay attention to Chubby's posts today before commiting to that vote.

[Alan T]

Yeah Alan, go for it, because we need to get verification of who is connected with who from a trust standpoint.

Basically the final PM that came through said with absolute doubt my feelings were an Absolute trust of a member of my command crew. And the only person who had been dropping hints the entire way with me was Kwhit, each day.

[PurdueBrad]

Purdue, you might want to pay attention to Chubby's posts today before commiting to that vote.

The one that said Saldana hasn't made any night attacks or am I missing something else. I'll look back just in case. If it is night attacks, I still like my vote as I doubt it would include conversions and, depending on role, the spawn may not risk using everyone for attacks.

[PurdueBrad]

Basically the final PM that came through said with absolute doubt my feelings were an Absolute trust of a member of my command crew. And the only person who had been dropping hints the entire way with me was Kwhit, each day.

Gracias, then I'll lay off the line of questioning. Your PMs sound similar to what I received only about someone else.

That leaves Oliegirl or Saldana for me today. And yeah, I might be bitter that Saldana was guarding us and the slave pens still got damaged. Wouldn't Saldana show as wounded as well if there were a slave attack?

[Passacaglia]

If everyone wants to follow along with Oliegirl, I'll change. But for now:

vote Saldana

Why saldana? And why would you change if everyone else votes for her?

[oliegirl]

If I'm bad, then I've either been converted since he spied on me, which goes back into the overlord/no overlord conversation. I have not received any PM which makes me out to be a spawn. I guarded MV last night and was told I escaped and MV was killed. If the overlord is in play, that might factor in to why it looks like my escape is "against the rules". Or it could have to do with the fact that I didn't have a phaser. I don't know. All I know is what my pm said.

I'm heading to lunch and then to the pool...but I assure you I am a villager. I'll be back in a few hours, have a friend over today so I don't have the ability to just sit and stay in the thread to defend myself.

[hoopsguy]

Night attacks of any kind - I think that is pretty expansive, but that is just me.

I think you are making a bad vote and I hope you get zero traction for it.

Alan + KWhit - have you gotten hints of any kind that suggest you should trust PurdueBrad? I know you are vouching for each other, but I want to know if you are vouching for him as well.

Note - this isn't some kind of a Spawn trick, although I'm sure it will be painted as such. I just want to know who is supposed to be on the trust list when I'm evaluating people and it feels a little to me like PB is trying to inch himself in there.

[hoopsguy]

Willing to change if Pass finds a different spawn - I think Olie is likely another Padawan.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[PurdueBrad]

Why saldana? And why would you change if everyone else votes for her?

I think Oliegirl is caught. I really want to start exploring other options and Saldana is one of the two that I'm left with. As I said, there might just be a case of I'm bitter over having to re-work the slave pens again but he was guarding us, there were slave attacks, and he's not injured nor did he fend them off. Faked action? Also, how the f- do they keep getting loose?

That being said, I do think Olie is caught so me switching isn't like I'm saying you guys are wrong but I'll go along for the ride. No, I think you're right but I want to make sure we don't lose sight of Saldana's ability to do damage over night by controlling/not controlling the slaves.

Also, my third person, after those two, is from Hoops' security crew as well.

[PurdueBrad]

My AT group is with the medics and privates. Since the privates don't exist any more, that left me medics. I've gotten no indication or even hint at one person, just a group.

[Alan T]

Night attacks of any kind - I think that is pretty expansive, but that is just me.

I think you are making a bad vote and I hope you get zero traction for it.

Alan + KWhit - have you gotten hints of any kind that suggest you should trust PurdueBrad? I know you are vouching for each other, but I want to know if you are vouching for him as well.

Note - this isn't some kind of a Spawn trick, although I'm sure it will be painted as such. I just want to know who is supposed to be on the trust list when I'm evaluating people and it feels a little to me like PB is trying to inch himself in there.

PurdueBrad dropped hints the same day I dropped mine where I purposely left out some of the detail that day which he later either knowingly or unknowingly added in. I feel PurdueBrad also for that reason is ok along with someone else in his engineering group (I don't know which one, but so far I've assumed Tyrith, based on how Kwhit + mine works, but that might be wrong, and PB may have better information regarding that which he doesn't want to share just yet.)

[PurdueBrad]

My line of questioning Hoops was to see whether or not they really got the PMs because there are no names mentioned. Had they said they received each other's names, then I would have put a vote there.

[hoopsguy]

PB, I agree that Mrs Schmity should be a scan candidate. I would like to see either her or Danny (who can semi-clear other engineers if he is Spawn Aware and has not been converted) scanned today.

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, I originally assumed engineers as well but my second night's PM explicitly stated Privates and Medics. I've either completely missed any hints dropped by those people or they are not dropping hints. I'm honestly guessing at the last part but given that we're almost on page 70, it could be the first half too.

That was another reason I was suspicious of you and KWhit, since you were basically from the same "group" of workers.

[PurdueBrad]

PB, I agree that Mrs Schmity should be a scan candidate. I would like to see either her or Danny (who can semi-clear other engineers if he is Spawn Aware and has not been converted) scanned today.

Hehe, guess that wasn't too thinly veiled!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I just woke up and leave shortly for work so I'll make a quick post. I guarded Jackal last night without incident. I'll try to get caught up and make a vote before I leave since I get off work right at deadline today.

[claphamsa]

oh eyah, FYI, while im sure no one cares, I have hockey and softball tongiht., so i wont be aroudn at deadline like normal :(

[Alan T]

I just woke up and leave shortly for work so I'll make a quick post. I guarded Jackal last night without incident. I'll try to get caught up and make a vote before I leave since I get off work right at deadline today.

What made you decide that you wanted to guard the jackal of all people?

[Passacaglia]

Willing to change if Pass finds a different spawn - I think Olie is likely another Padawan.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

If I find another spawn, I believe we both die anyway.

[KWhit]

I just woke up and leave shortly for work so I'll make a quick post. I guarded Jackal last night without incident. I'll try to get caught up and make a vote before I leave since I get off work right at deadline today.

You guarded Jackal?

Um... Why?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I sent in a PM to guard MV last night. In the PM I rec'd this morning it said that I while I was guarding him, he was attacked by Spawn - since I didn't have a phaser (HQ is down - no guns), I was unable to fight him off and also that I managed to escape un-injured.

I was not told that I was wandering the ship with Mrs. Schmidty, only that I saw her during the night, but details weren't given.

I'm catching up on the last page now - been slammed at work all morning so I've been in the thread but not able to read it for a while...

Was MV a doctor and I missed it? I thought we (Olie and I) were told by Hoops to guard the doctors. Since we didn't want to say in the thread whom we were guarding last night and she said she had put in her PM I went with Jackal assuming she would guard the more obvious choice of Path.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

OK, I'm going to do it anyway:

Guard actions that I would like to see, given that no one gets to sleep:
1.) Schmidty guards water
2.) Saldana guards slaves
3.) Olie + Mrs Schmidty guard the two doctors. Feel free to switch off one of them and guard a building or a member of the "cleared list" if you don't trust my intentions
4.) I'll look at guarding a room - again, join me in this task if you think I'm being suspect in my motives tonight

This is the quote I was referring to.

[Alan T]

This is the quote I was referring to.


Yes, and The Jackal was not a doctor, and still is not. That would have been Path and Marc Vaughn

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'm going to have to agree with KWhit especially since I have to leave for work soon (and I don't want IHOF results to distract me into forgetting)

Lynch oliegirl

maybe something else will come up throughout the day but I won't be here :( right now she's the best bet ahead of bullet


You have to unvote Bullet for this to count.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Yes, and The Jackal was not a doctor, and still is not. That would have been Path and Marc Vaughn

Sorry, I looked at page 1 of the thread to confirm the two "doctors" and Path is listed and Jackal is listed as Medic. I thought page was being updated as far as when people got trained (obviously I was wrong about that then). When Hoops said to guard the doctors, I thought he misspoke and meant the doctor and the medic. Olie said she put in her PM already and again I thought she would guard Path, so I chose Jackal based on the info I had. It's been hard for me to keep up in the game and I'm not referring to mere post counts. The roles and such I've had to refer to page one on numerous occasions.

Please, by all means scan me.

[KWhit]

Has the jackal been scanned, empathed or in any other way cleared? In my notes, I don't have him cleared at all. Did I overlook something?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

VOTE OLIEGIRL

Reasons as follows:
1. Perhaps she is the unaware and guarding MV was too much a temptation and she killed him (I say the unaware because it just seems too obvious that we were guarding medical personnel last night so why would the spawn take the chance of getting blocked?)
2. She's not wounded.

I'm leaving for work so I won't be on the boards again until after 7pst.

[oliegirl]

Was MV a doctor and I missed it? I thought we (Olie and I) were told by Hoops to guard the doctors. Since we didn't want to say in the thread whom we were guarding last night and she said she had put in her PM I went with Jackal assuming she would guard the more obvious choice of Path.

No. Jackal is a medic. Path and MV were the doctors.

If you guarded Jackal yet you and I were seen walking around together, what was the explanation for that?

Prelim vote since I'm going to be out for a while, but will be back before deadline to switch if I need to...

VOTE MRS. SCHMIDTY

[Mrs. Schmidty]

No. Jackal is a medic. Path and MV were the doctors.

If you guarded Jackal yet you and I were seen walking around together, what was the explanation for that?

Prelim vote since I'm going to be out for a while, but will be back before deadline to switch if I need to...

VOTE MRS. SCHMIDTY

Glad I looked before I left. Reread BK's post - doesn't say we were together. My vote stands.

[The Jackal]

Three people? Ugh.

No, I don't think I've been cleared, I welcome any interrogation or scanning or what not.

It is very strange that neither of you guarded our doctors.

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, what were you doing last night? Perhaps you can help shed some light on why Mrs Schmidty and Oliegirl would have both been lurkign around the ship.

I've got ideas on this, but they are from the same line of questioning with the moderator that led me to believe Telle was part of a coordinated attack, so I'm not sure how well they will be received. But I need Jackal to fill in the blanks first before posting on this.

[PackerFanatic]

Pass, who are you going to scan (if anyone) today? I imagine that would help the push toward either Olie or Mrs. Schmidty, since one of those seems to be the obvious play today.

[The Jackal]

Jackal, what were you doing last night? Perhaps you can help shed some light on why Mrs Schmidty and Oliegirl would have both been lurkign around the ship.

I've got ideas on this, but they are from the same line of questioning with the moderator that led me to believe Telle was part of a coordinated attack, so I'm not sure how well they will be received. But I need Jackal to fill in the blanks first before posting on this.

I don't have anything to do at night, so I didn't even submit an action, which would usually have me just sleep. But I've no idea where I was, no PM or anything.

[oliegirl]

Glad I looked before I left. Reread BK's post - doesn't say we were together. My vote stands.

Your PM may not, but the write up does...

Mrs. Schmidty & olie are seen lurking around the ship.

Direct from BK's write up post. My vote stands as well.

[Passacaglia]

Glad I looked before I left. Reread BK's post - doesn't say we were together. My vote stands.

If you want to stick around more, you can see the results of my scan.

[Passacaglia]

Why wouldn't your votes stand? There's nothing illegal about either of them.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, who are you going to scan (if anyone) today? I imagine that would help the push toward either Olie or Mrs. Schmidty, since one of those seems to be the obvious play today.

I just put in an order on Mrs. Schmidty. I don't want to die, and her story seems more likely the result of not paying attention, so it gives me a good person to scan, and in my mind, a good (but not great) chance to live.

[Alan T]

I just put in an order on Mrs. Schmidty. I don't want to die, and her story seems more likely the result of not paying attention, so it gives me a good person to scan, and in my mind, a good (but not great) chance to live.


Good choice I think. Of the two, she seemed more likely to not be 100% a spawn. I was just playing through that in my head... I'm not convinced she isn't a spawn, but if i had to choose between her and oliegirl, it seems oliegirl is pretty certainly a spawn.

[Barkeep49]

"Mrs. Schmidty it's so good to see you come for an exam,"Dr. Caglia gushes. The exam is routine and the two continue on to other work.

[hoopsguy]

OK, and I don't know if this helps or hurts Jackal, but without a bed to sleep in he would end up moving about looking for someplace to sleep. That is what Telle was doing when I spied on her.

So what that suggests to me is that both Mrs Schmidty and Oliegirl were engaged in activities following (spying or guarding, I suppose) someone who was not stationary. This is probably equally applicable for any of the folks without a specific night duty (includes Marc Vaughn, I would imagine) and doesn't create any kind of in-thread linkage between the two of them.

I'm raising this because Olie is trying to create an association between the two people. I would argue that it does not have to be there - it may or may not be, but based on what I saw with Telle it does not have to be there.

I have zero insight into Mrs Schmidty, other than my "paranoid/delusional" concerns about her as an early spawn that would damage our trust list. But I'm pretty disappointed in what happened here if she was human. I'm more inclined to believe that she was also Spawn and they took their shot at both doctors hoping I would do what I posted I was going to do in the thread (guard something).

[PackerFanatic]

Dr. Caglia, heh.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so here is what is involved with trusting our scans (all seer scans must not be Unaware Spawn):

Alan - Brig needed to be pristine on N2, N3. Also brought up by MV in an empath scan. Cross vouching with KWhit on Absolute Trust.

KWhit - Needed to actually be guarded by Mrs Schmidty on N1, if so then Brig was pristine on N2 and N3, we have good trust at top of food chain. Cross vouching with Alan on Absolute Trust. With Pass clear of Mrs Schmidty, this seems increasingly likely.

Hoops - Needed to not be a conversion target N3

Schmidty - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N3

Pass - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N1 - N3

Chubby - needed to pass an Empath scan from Marc V

Saldana - needed to pass an Empath scan from Chubby

Purdue - saying he is in Absolute Trust, but does not know his partner.


Am I missing any of the clears, and the conditions surrounding them being valid?

[hoopsguy]

Note that guarding a person, as Mrs Schmidty did Jackal, does not provide any kind of clearance for that person (Jackal) as spawn. I've asked this question to BK in regards to my own guard actions.

[Alan T]

OK, so here is what is involved with trusting our scans (all seer scans must not be Unaware Spawn):

Alan - Brig needed to be pristine on N2, N3. Also brought up by MV in an empath scan. Cross vouching with KWhit on Absolute Trust.

KWhit - Needed to actually be guarded by Mrs Schmidty on N1, if so then Brig was pristine on N2 and N3, we have good trust at top of food chain. Cross vouching with Alan on Absolute Trust. With Pass clear of Mrs Schmidty, this seems increasingly likely.

Hoops - Needed to not be a conversion target N3

Schmidty - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N3

Pass - Demonstrated replicant ability, needed to not be a conversion target N1 - N3

Chubby - needed to pass an Empath scan from Marc V

Saldana - needed to pass an Empath scan from Chubby

Purdue - saying he is in Absolute Trust, but does not know his partner.


Am I missing any of the clears, and the conditions surrounding them being valid?

Chubby has not passed any scans yet. Marc's scan attempt of Chubby was invalid.

Chubby is completely uncleared

[PurdueBrad]

I saved and re-read through all my PMs and I *believe* that my absolute trust partner(s) was/were killed today. This is the first night that I have not received a PM with any reference to my AT group.

Alan/Kwhit, do you continue to get updates or references to your group in your PMs or have you gone a night where you've received nothing?

[The Jackal]

PB, you have good feelings and happy dreams about the medical staff?

[PurdueBrad]

I didn't realize Mark Vaughn was a private at the beginning. My best guess is that my group either consisted of both Path and Vaughn or at least one of them.

[PurdueBrad]

PB, you have good feelings and happy dreams about the medical staff?

Yeah, medical staff and privates. These go back to the second night I believe, let me throw up the quoted post (it'll take a bit to find it but I will.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, so I feel pretty good about PB then. I'm guessing MV was the third member, since at the beginning my AT dreams consisted of engineers and privates.

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, I'm going to work on the engines and my PM indicates that I trust the medical staff and the privates, so while I agree we need a lynch, I will not support a candidate from either pool. Do we think that "medical staff" includes Path?

This is post 1836 but I know it was discussed earlier.

[hoopsguy]

Also missed Mrs Schmidty cleared by seer scan (Pass).

So the scans on Alan, KWhit, Hoops are all known good, barring Unaware Spawn. All done by cleared (in death) doctor Path12. Alan + KWhit were locked in the brig with people who have been cleared in death, so only Hoops (here I go, talking about myself in 3rd person) has a chance of being converted (N3) after being cleared.

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, so I feel pretty good about PB then. I'm guessing MV was the third member, since at the beginning my AT dreams consisted of engineers and privates.

Jackal, did you drop any hints anywhere in thread?

[Alan T]

I saved and re-read through all my PMs and I *believe* that my absolute trust partner(s) was/were killed today. This is the first night that I have not received a PM with any reference to my AT group.

Alan/Kwhit, do you continue to get updates or references to your group in your PMs or have you gone a night where you've received nothing?

PB, I received no pm today at all for the first time. The last PM I got was confirming that I was in an absolute trust group, so I assume I won't get anything further until Kwhit is converted (which is impossible right now), I am not sure if i receive something if he dies though

[PurdueBrad]

Thx Alan, I got a bit paranoid (apparently unnecessarily so) when I got nothing. I did ask BK if I would be informed if my partner became a spawn and he sent a one word response: maybe (it wasn't that exact word but I don't even want to quote his one-word response because I know I'm not supposed to).

[The Jackal]

Jackal, did you drop any hints anywhere in thread?

No, I didn't. I didn't realize it was AT until Friday, I believe.

[hoopsguy]

Continuing on clears:
- both Pass and Schmidty have demonstrated the duplicant role, which means that they are villagers. I initially had this mistaken with empathic
- Chubby appears to have started the game as empathic, which means that there is a 50/50 shot he could have been converted

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, is it possible for a villager to have two (or more) "survivor secret roles"?

[The Jackal]

I guess there's a chance PB turned into a spawn and that's why I didn't get a PM, but it sounds like we went through the same thing, so maybe the connection was severed since one of our people died.

[PurdueBrad]

No, I didn't. I didn't realize it was AT until Friday, I believe.

Because of this, I absolutely trust Jackal as Friday was the day that I received a PM that, for the first time, mentioned Absolute Trust and it was in all bold. I had figured it out before then but not by a lot and this was the day it was explicitly stated. I know that won't count as a clear, but it's good enough for me.

[PurdueBrad]

I guess there's a chance PB turned into a spawn and that's why I didn't get a PM, but it sounds like we went through the same thing, so maybe the connection was severed since one of our people died.

It sounds like Alan and KWhit didn't get PMs either, so maybe we'll now only get them when something changes.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think that is the case, Jackal.

Absolute Trust If anyone in an Absolute Trust group has left the group (by becoming Spawnling or Spawn), the other group members will be informed of it.


If you had a trust with someone, you would have been informed if they were turned.

You can see why, after Telle (and Olie, I'm pretty damn sure) that someone might be questioning a person not knowing the rules around their role(s)?

[The Jackal]

That makes the most sense, good.

[PurdueBrad]

For me, right now, I trust:

*Alan T and KWhit (even though I have tried to question them several times, I can't find reason not to)

*Jackal (I'll assume that I will be notified of any change in my partner until I see otherwise)

*Hoops (despite last night's discussion, I still feel that Hoops has done a good job ferretting out spawns although it would be a hell of a move to give up the roleless spawn and protect the powerful ones)

*After that, I'm up in the air. I will admit that I've been a bit blind in my trust of the engineers and I guess I have to stop that. There was no reason other than the fact that we started as a group/team. So we will have to be looked at.

As for distrust, I was surprised at Mrs. Schmidty coming back human. Olie and Saldana are my least trusted and I'm curious to see if we can do anything else at this point to re-clear Pass since he's stepped into a vital role.

[The Jackal]

Is it probably the case that either olie is a spawn or both pass and mrs. s are?

[PurdueBrad]

I don't think that is the case, Jackal.



If you had a trust with someone, you would have been informed if they were turned.

You can see why, after Telle (and Olie, I'm pretty damn sure) that someone might be questioning a person not knowing the rules around their role(s)?

Hoops, I had read the rules as well, what do you make of BK only telling me maybe via PM about being informed?

[saldana]

I'm caught up and will put in an order to work on the slave pens although given that Saldana is the percentage play here AND he guarded the pens last night and they still took damage, that is likely the way I'm going to go with my vote.

Although I am looking into one more possibility that goes back to some of last night's discussion where I may have been too quick to trust someone absolutely.

go back and read Claps explanation...the damage was done by the slaves from inside the pens

[Tyrith]

Hasta luego! Arriverderci! Bon voyage! That means goodbye!

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[The Jackal]

Hoops, I had read the rules as well, what do you make of BK only telling me maybe via PM about being informed?

That is curious.

[Tyrith]

go back and read Claps explanation...the damage was done by the slaves from inside the pens

My PM said the same thing, BTW.

Going to submit an order to fix the pens right now -- that should get it fixed with 5 cycles, meaning we're still okay even through a fake.

[Alan T]

Because of this, I absolutely trust Jackal as Friday was the day that I received a PM that, for the first time, mentioned Absolute Trust and it was in all bold. I had figured it out before then but not by a lot and this was the day it was explicitly stated. I know that won't count as a clear, but it's good enough for me.


I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Saldana on both his and Tyrith's follow up to how the damage was done. I'm going to go along with the flow then:

vote oliegirl

[Passacaglia]

Continuing on clears:
- both Pass and Schmidty have demonstrated the duplicant role, which means that they are villagers. I initially had this mistaken with empathic
- Chubby appears to have started the game as empathic, which means that there is a 50/50 shot he could have been converted

Thanks. If you kept pushing that line of thought, I was going to go after you. But hey, mistakes happen -- I know I made some this game, and based on my scan, it looks like Mrs. Schmidty did, too (i.e. she scanned clean).

[The Jackal]

I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.

I missed the conversations, I must've skimmed them/hadn't realized I was in AT at that point. At first I thought it was just BK having fun with PMs but then he clarified for me.

I think it's right for us to still keep an eye on each other, PB, especially with regard to any further PMs we might receive, but for now I'm glad to have another person off my immediate suspicion list.

[PurdueBrad]

What is our nighttime engineer priority?

We have 3 hours left on security, 3 left on the cargo hold.

In all honesty, if we trusted all our engineers, we could split the labor and knock it out. It may also lead us to someone who faked but it's a risk.

Otherwise, I would suggest Tyrith and two of us on the security HQ and the other two on the cargo hold.

I would love to see us get both repaired but I'm not sure I trust us enough.

[Tyrith]

What is our nighttime engineer priority?

We have 3 hours left on security, 3 left on the cargo hold.

In all honesty, if we trusted all our engineers, we could split the labor and knock it out. It may also lead us to someone who faked but it's a risk.

Otherwise, I would suggest Tyrith and two of us on the security HQ and the other two on the cargo hold.

I would love to see us get both repaired but I'm not sure I trust us enough.

I can roll with this plan. Not sure who the other two with me should be, but that's more up to the whole Danny situation than anything I can do.

[PurdueBrad]

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

[hoopsguy]

I'm very skeptical of trusting the engineers as a group. There are five left, none of whom have been cleared with a scan. The trainer was killed, eliminating our ability to fill those spots and we now know it wasn't because the Doctors were bad (both cleared in death).

I'm disregarding Absolute Trust and Spawn Aware from Engineers with that statement as I consider them less clear-cut than other vouches.

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

Do you have a list of who has worked with who up to this point? That would be helpful ... I'll pull it up, if needed, but it will take time.

[Alan T]

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

Claphamsa and Jeheinz seem to be the least trusted of the engineers I would assume. Are you going to be around though after deadline to figure out alot of this? (This is for night work correct?) Just would be able to give a better answer after we see how the deadline goes down I think.

[PurdueBrad]

So Hoops, how would you pair us around Danny for tonight's work?

[PurdueBrad]

Yeah, it's night work and I'll be around tonight after softball.

Hoops, I'll have to go back and pull up who has worked with who.

[saldana]

I don't have a feel one way or another on this, but just be careful as I already stated what day I received that message.. and as far as I could tell you, kwhit and I all had dropped hints (pretty open hints at that) prior to today. I didn't see any from the Jackal even when we had the conversations discussing it..

He very well may be telling the truth, just cautioning against him getting your trust only because of saying Friday after we already had announced which day we got that message.


i'm not feeling very good about purduebrad at all...no one else said anything about being in an AT with unknown people all game, and then he doesnt actually know the way the role works....if anyone else in the game is like i am, as soon as you and kwhit started talking about it, i went back and reread the rules about it in order to make sure i would notice if you guys faltered in your explanations of it (which he has just done)

dont know if i feel as bad about PB as i do about oliegirl, though, so assuming she goes tonight, he will be my choice tomorrow.

vote oliegirl

[hoopsguy]

My recollection is that Danny has gone a long ways towards clearing each of you, as you have all worked in tandem. This is a big part of why I am suspicious of him - he either was bluffing from the start or was turned and is now giving clearance to someone who started as a spawn.

Again, I'm not basing this on any role knowledge. I'm basing this on the selections that we have seen for the spawn actions so far - killing mccollins, taking out the doctors - and the lack of results from the supposedly spawn aware person. This is why I put his name up for scan today ... I thought there was a pretty good chance he was bad, but if he was shown to be good then we had some soft clears on several people.

[PurdueBrad]

Here is who Danny has worked with:

Day 2- JEHeinz and Danny
Day 3- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 4- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 5- JEHeinz and Danny

HE HAS TO WORK WITH CLAPH

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops, I agree. Danny needs to be cleared but he has got to work with Claphamsa. I could've sworn we had it set up that they would work together and I don't know what happened.

[The Jackal]

saldana - I can corroborate what PB is saying, unless one of the other engineers is AT with me, but I don't think that seems to be the case.

[Alan T]

Here is who Danny has worked with:

Day 2- JEHeinz and Danny
Day 3- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 4- JEHeinz, Tyrith, PurdueBrad and Danny
Day 5- JEHeinz and Danny

HE HAS TO WORK WITH CLAPH


Seems then if Danny is good, Jeheinz seems to be also... So put him with claphamsa most likely. But if I understand that role correctly, he'll have to wortk with him multiple times to get a true read on it.

[Tyrith]

So, stupid question, but Pass is duplicant, therefore we have no more doctor scans for the rest of the game, correct?

[PurdueBrad]

BARKEEP49- Does the number of people that the spawn aware person works with effect his chances of scanning a spawn? In other words, if spawn-aware person works with player B only, does he have the same chance for success then if he works with players B, C, and D?

[claphamsa]

yeah, it increases probability with times workgin

[hoopsguy]

PB, I agree on this point. If we are going to try and trust him then it has to be Clap.

We aren't scanning him today and we aren't voting him today (barring any revelations). So it would be good to see where this goes tomorrow.

[claphamsa]

also, im at the slave pens now! send him on down, since I know im good !

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, is it possible for a villager to have two (or more) "survivor secret roles"?
No.

[Alan T]

So, stupid question, but Pass is duplicant, therefore we have no more doctor scans for the rest of the game, correct?

He didn't duplicate a doctor, he duplicated the trainer to train himself to become a doctor, so he is a full fledged doctor now, which is pretty ingenius if he is still good.

[PurdueBrad]

also, im at the slave pens now! send him on down, since I know im good !

I don't believe he scans during the day, only overnight, but I might be wrong. Danny, can you verify one way or another?

[hoopsguy]

OK, then I'm going to move for voting Chubby.

He claimed to be both Incorruptible and Empathic. And I think there is a better chance he has a significant role than Oliegirl. I recognize this is taking a chance with Olie having the bigger role, but I think it is a pretty calculated risk.

I'll go find posts that show where Chubby claimed Incorruptible and then change my vote.

[PurdueBrad]

He didn't duplicate a doctor, he duplicated the trainer to train himself to become a doctor, so he is a full fledged doctor now, which is pretty ingenius if he is still good.

Wow, I didn't catch how that happened. :eek:

[The Jackal]

That's a very good point hoops.

[Barkeep49]

BARKEEP49- Does the number of people that the spawn aware person works with effect his chances of scanning a spawn? In other words, if spawn-aware person works with player B only, does he have the same chance for success then if he works with players B, C, and D?
If a Spawn Aware person works with more than one person it decreases the chance of find a spawn for any of them.

[PurdueBrad]

If a Spawn Aware person works with more than one person it decreases the chance of find a spawn for any of them.

Then Alan, Hoops, not trying to take the choice away from you but I think Danny and Claphamsa have to work together, probably just the two of them.

[hoopsguy]

I'm still catching up but a recap so far...

There was a reason nobody else was in any danger on the mission I went on. I got attacked by a spawn but found out I'm incorruptible.

Somethings struck me as odd about Marc Vaughn since the start. He's been super quiet and was begging to be scanned or empathed. Now he comes out as the empath?

Nice try Marc but you spawn must be hurting if you are fake revealing this early. I suspect MV is the unaware spawn but I am 100% certain that he is not the empath. Therefore he gets my vote and should get everyone else's vote.

I have no heat on me, I have zero reason to start shit unless I was 100% sure which I am.

Bring on the spawn counterattack.


UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY

[Alan T]

OK, then I'm going to move for voting Chubby.

He claimed to be both Incorruptible and Empathic. And I think there is a better chance he has a significant role than Oliegirl. I recognize this is taking a chance with Olie having the bigger role, but I think it is a pretty calculated risk.

I'll go find posts that show where Chubby claimed Incorruptible and then change my vote.


Heh for whatever it is worth, I have held that piece of information about Chubby close to my vest for a few days not mentioning it yet.. When you were throwing out Chubby having been cleared by marc, it further notched my distrust of you but I didn't press it as everyone already knows I don't trust you.

If you go back and look, I was the one who asked Chubby to clarify on that, and just kept it in mind the entire time. My worst fear today has been that you and Chubby are bad, and tonight Kwhit and I will be killed thus making you unlynchable as a spawn.

[Tyrith]

Wow, I didn't catch how that happened. :eek:

Me either, but that's a pretty legit way to clear yourself, haha.

[Tyrith]

And hoops wins the villager of the year prize. You die tomorrow, olie.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY

[Alan T]

And hoops wins the villager of the year prize. You die tomorrow, olie.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE CHUBBY


Just to be clear, Hoops was trying to say Chubby was cleared earlier until I pushed on that.

[The Jackal]

vote chubby

[hoopsguy]

I meant to ask this question that day - which means that if he has a good role that we wasted getting that out of the way until now. Hard to be too mad about it with getting Spawn on Days 3 and 4, but still frustrating to have missed following up on a thought that was a stone-cold lock to get us a Spawn.

Also, Saldana is back in the rotation. In addition to all the math you can now add a fake clear from a Spawn to his resume.

[claphamsa]

saldana - I can corroborate what PB is saying, unless one of the other engineers is AT with me, but I don't think that seems to be the case.
the thing at the begning of the game (rulez) doesnt say its 1:1

[PurdueBrad]

tonight Kwhit and I will be killed

Alan, if you have a legitimate fear of being night-killed, I support you using your duke power in whatever way you see fit tonight and won't fault you. As it is, we've got likely two of the spawn pegged with Chubby and Oliegirl, so your gut could lead us to another one. Consider it, although I'm sure you may already be doing just that.

[The Jackal]

the thing at the begning of the game (rulez) doesnt say its 1:1

I don't understand what you mean by 1:1

[The Jackal]

Alan, if you have a legitimate fear of being night-killed, I support you using your duke power in whatever way you see fit tonight and won't fault you. As it is, we've got likely two of the spawn pegged with Chubby and Oliegirl, so your gut could lead us to another one. Consider it, although I'm sure you may already be doing just that.

+1

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Oliegirl
vote Chubby

[Barkeep49]

"Always the same ole stuff," mutters Tyrith as he trudges to the Slave Pens.

[hoopsguy]

Just to be clear, Hoops was trying to say Chubby was cleared earlier until I pushed on that.

You are the man, Alan.

Posting a list of "in-thread" clears, while trying to work through the logic around them, and asking for feedback is a little different than how you are portraying it.

Just how many Spawn do you need me to catch before you actually assume that I'm trying to catch Spawn instead of covering my own Unaware Spawn tracks? Clearly it is more than two.

[Alan T]

You are the man, Alan.

Posting a list of "in-thread" clears, while trying to work through the logic around them, and asking for feedback is a little different than how you are portraying it.

Just how many Spawn do you need me to catch before you actually assume that I'm trying to catch Spawn instead of covering my own Unaware Spawn tracks? Clearly it is more than two.

I just wonder if you would have "figured out Chubby" if I hadn't been adamant that he wasn't cleared when you posted that.

[Tyrith]

I would take the opposite stance. We have a couple of spawn dead to rights at this point. There's no reason for us getting frisky and taking chances right now. We take our kills and minimize the damage we take at night. This means after that we can take as much time as we need to find the last one or two -- their ability to win the game before we figure out what's going on will be gone, and we can afford to make mistakes.

[claphamsa]

I don't understand what you mean by 1:1

I mean it says there is a group.....

[hoopsguy]

I just wonder if you would have "figured out Chubby" if I hadn't been adamant that he wasn't cleared when you posted that.

It definitely helped jog my memory. I think you can see that I posted the question to Barkeep almost immediately after you stated he had not been in any way effectively cleared.

Could you try and be happy that we are catching Spawn in lies in the thread rather than continuing some kind of grim crusade against me? Please?

[Tyrith]

Hm, hoops seems to think he's doing a good job, maybe we should just lynch him to keep him in line! :P

[hoopsguy]

Well, I can't spy or guard people anymore thanks to moving up the ranks so the game is going to get a little more dull for me.

Are we going to have phasers for tonight?

[Tyrith]

Well, I can't spy or guard people anymore thanks to moving up the ranks so the game is going to get a little more dull for me.

Are we going to have phasers for tonight?

No, security HQ is going to be fixed tonight. And we'd probably have to spend all your and KWhit's AP getting them assigned correctly, anyway.

[Passacaglia]

Wouldn't we rather lynch olie, so that someone else can take her place and protect certain people, like maybe a seer? Or would no one take her place until the next day?

[Alan T]

Wouldn't we rather lynch olie, so that someone else can take her place and protect certain people, like maybe a seer? Or would no one take her place until the next day?


No one would take her place until the next day, but you scanned Mrs.Schmidty, shouldn't you feel confident in her ability to protect you?

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, just so I have it for tonight then:

Tyrith, JEHeinz72, and I will work on the security HQ

Claphamsa and Danny should work on the cargo hold

Correct?

[hoopsguy]

As long as she understands who is a doctor this time around :)

It still bugs me that the Spawn felt comfortable taking their shot at both last night.

[Passacaglia]

No one would take her place until the next day, but you scanned Mrs.Schmidty, shouldn't you feel confident in her ability to protect you?

I feel confident in her ability to protect The Jackal. :p

[Passacaglia]

As long as she understands who is a doctor this time around :)

It still bugs me that the Spawn felt comfortable taking their shot at both last night.

If they've got three shots, they might as well have gone for both of them. I figure they were hoping that one of them was left unprotected, and scored a bonus with getting two. Were Mrs. Schmidty and olie the only ones who could protect people? If that's the case, and if olie was spawn, then they KNEW one had to be unprotected, but not which one. So it makes sense to go for both and hope to get one.

[Passacaglia]

I think there is a huge silver lining to this -- path and MV were only cleared by each other. Before realizing I could train myself, I really wanted to scan path once we got later in the game, but now we know he was good, and that he wasn't faking any scans.

[Alan T]

If they've got three shots, they might as well have gone for both of them. I figure they were hoping that one of them was left unprotected, and scored a bonus with getting two. Were Mrs. Schmidty and olie the only ones who could protect people? If that's the case, and if olie was spawn, then they KNEW one had to be unprotected, but not which one. So it makes sense to go for both and hope to get one.


Hoopsguy, Mrs.Schmidty and Oliegirl were the only ones who could protect them.

[Passacaglia]

I guess there's also the possibility that Mrs. Schmidty is the unaware spawn.

[The Jackal]

I mean it says there is a group.....

Right, and we're pretty sure the other part of our group just died.

[The Jackal]

I feel confident in her ability to protect The Jackal. :p

I feel so safe. :p

[hoopsguy]

Technically, the Slayer role was potentially out there as well in a protection role.

But yeah, it is on me as well. I was out guarding buildings instead of people. I guess I didn't properly calculate the "worst case scenario" in terms of spawn+security actions. I figured one of my people would be good and guard a doctor. I had talked in thread with Olie and knew that Mrs Schmidty was a late-night reader (info picked up last game while watching from sidelines and seeing her PMs to other wolves).

I remain pretty concerned about the integrity of our water supply - the game will advance quickly enough to starvation time, but I didn't want to see that accelerated. So I went there with my guard over several other pretty good options in hindsight (block a doc, spy on Saldana).

[Alan T]

Technically, the Slayer role was potentially out there as well in a protection role.

But yeah, it is on me as well. I was out guarding buildings instead of people. I guess I didn't properly calculate the "worst case scenario" in terms of spawn+security actions. I figured one of my people would be good and guard a doctor. I had talked in thread with Olie and knew that Mrs Schmidty was a late-night reader (info picked up last game while watching from sidelines and seeing her PMs to other wolves).

I remain pretty concerned about the integrity of our water supply - the game will advance quickly enough to starvation time, but I didn't want to see that accelerated. So I went there with my guard over several other pretty good options in hindsight (block a doc, spy on Saldana).


It is ok, seems everyone else is pretty forgiving of your mistake that got a doctor killed. Hopefully they will be equally forgiving of any mistakes I make in the future :)

[hoopsguy]

So the Chubby bluff came on Day 3, when I was pushing for a vote on Telle. I'll have to go back to the thread to double-check the order (bluff before my vote or after my vote). That means one of the following:
- Chubby was a starting Spawn
- Chubby was converted on N1, was a spawnling on D2 (I think this is how it works?) and came out firing on his first day as a Spawn

[saldana]

alan, i think you need to give it a rest on hoopsguy....so far he has pegged telle, and pointed the finger straigt at olie and chubby..if either of them comes up spawn, i think that pretty much locks it in that the doctor cleared persecuter of 2 spawn is NOT a spawn...to be honest with you, you are seeming to me to be obsessed with him, much as you were with me in the Draft game..it is making it hard for me to give any consideration to what you are saying.

basically, to me, you have shifted from Captain Alan to Captain Ahab

i am gonna stick with my oliegirl vote, as i know that i am not a spawn, which chubby has confirmed, so i feel like i owe him not to vote for him at this point.

[Passacaglia]

So the Chubby bluff came on Day 3, when I was pushing for a vote on Telle. I'll have to go back to the thread to double-check the order (bluff before my vote or after my vote). That means one of the following:
- Chubby was a starting Spawn
- Chubby was converted on N1, was a spawnling on D2 (I think this is how it works?) and came out firing on his first day as a Spawn

I'm pretty sure it was after your vote on Telle.

[Tyrith]

I don't think any of us expected three kills last night. I sure as heck didn't.

[hoopsguy]

Alan (or others), do you have thoughts on me using points to move one of our guys over to play Sergeant-at-Arms? I would like to usurp Olie in this role - I don't have the ability to do anything related to Chubby's position.

I can move Enlisted Crew, so that could be Mrs Schmidty if I want to keep the role in the family. I could look at moving a Medic over - are we putting a priority on curing wounds at this point? But honestly, I'm not wild about those two moving up the food chain just yet. I think I like Schmidty where he is at and I'm not touching Saldana with a ten foot pole after the Chubby clear.

[Alan T]

Alan (or others), do you have thoughts on me using points to move one of our guys over to play Sergeant-at-Arms? I would like to usurp Olie in this role - I don't have the ability to do anything related to Chubby's position.

I can move Enlisted Crew, so that could be Mrs Schmidty if I want to keep the role in the family. I could look at moving a Medic over - are we putting a priority on curing wounds at this point? But honestly, I'm not wild about those two moving up the food chain just yet. I think I like Schmidty where he is at and I'm not touching Saldana with a ten foot pole after the Chubby clear.


I asked this morning. We can't move someone to sergeant at arms while she is alive.

[Alan T]

And I'm going to go quiet for the rest of the day.. No one in the game or any game ever likes any of my gut thoughts, they praise Hoops for things I brought up days ago, and pretty much same thing for multiple games now where virtually everyone tells me to shut up..

So I put my orders in already for tonight, and if you all want to mutiny so be it.

[Tyrith]

Who does that leave then, hoops? The Jackal would be the best candidate, I suppose, under those conditions, although if Chubby is bad then bullet is probably good. But we have large groups of people that we've got nothing on, starting with all of us engineers. Although I would say that I'm pretty clearly on our side :P

[hoopsguy]

I asked this morning. We can't move someone to sergeant at arms while she is alive.

Barkeep, can I begin work training someone for Sergeant at Arms today, with the idea that if Oliegirl is still alive tomorrow morning then the person trained is not able to fill the spot?

Alan, read between the lines on this request please. K, thanks.

[Danny]

Tyrith, let's leave it up to people that have been cleared to some degree:

HOOPS AND ALAN: Since Danny is spawn aware, which of the engineers would you like him to work with? We are doing a 3-2 engineer split. Your choices are Tyrith, PurdueBrad, Claphamsa, and JEHeinz72.

We'll roll with what you guys call.

I've now worked with Jeheinz four times and have nothing on him. either there is a spawn blocking my night time ability or he is almost most likely clean. I've only worked with PB and Tyrith once, so I that's not really enough to clear them at all.

[hoopsguy]

And I'm going to go quiet for the rest of the day.. No one in the game or any game ever likes any of my gut thoughts, they praise Hoops for things I brought up days ago, and pretty much same thing for multiple games now where virtually everyone tells me to shut up..

So I put my orders in already for tonight, and if you all want to mutiny so be it.

I'll applaud your decision to kill the slaves. No reason to mutiny around this at all.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, would people please get their votes in or at least post on their thoughts towards voting? I don't think we have enough for a lynch at this point.

[Danny]

My recollection is that Danny has gone a long ways towards clearing each of you, as you have all worked in tandem. This is a big part of why I am suspicious of him - he either was bluffing from the start or was turned and is now giving clearance to someone who started as a spawn.

Again, I'm not basing this on any role knowledge. I'm basing this on the selections that we have seen for the spawn actions so far - killing mccollins, taking out the doctors - and the lack of results from the supposedly spawn aware person. This is why I put his name up for scan today ... I thought there was a pretty good chance he was bad, but if he was shown to be good then we had some soft clears on several people.

As I just said, the only person I have really been able to clear is Jeheinz as I have worked with alone twice and two other times in a group. Ive only worked with PB and Tyrith once in a large group, so by no means have they been cleared. Clap I have never worked with. Since I have not been able to sleep, I haven't been able to potentially catch any random spawn.

Also, there is a spawn ability that blocks the night time ability of one villager. I asked BK about this and he said I may not receive info letting me know that my ability has been blocked. Considering I'm really the only player the spawn know to have a nighttime ability, I would be a good target for this if there is a spawn with this ability.

I would still loved to be scanned as it would be help you guys trust my findings. Really no point in me having this ability if you guys doubt me.

[Danny]

Then Alan, Hoops, not trying to take the choice away from you but I think Danny and Claphamsa have to work together, probably just the two of them.

I'd be good with that, I've never worked with him at all

[Danny]

I don't believe he scans during the day, only overnight, but I might be wrong. Danny, can you verify one way or another?

Only during the night

[PackerFanatic]

Can we get a vote count? I think it is quite close between oliegirl and Chubby and the evidence is pretty overwhelming on both. I will go where my vote is needed, as I feel they are both great candidates for today (with the other probably going tomorrow!)

[Alan T]

Actually I came back to the thread as I'm reconsidering what to do with my actions today and need some help from a few people.. today unfortunately is the win/lose day I think for us. People who aren't willing to humor my gut feelings for now, please don't bother responding. For everyone else...

Assume that Hoopsguy really is the unaware spawn. I am concerned with the captaincy of this ship. I am pretty sure there are at least 4 spawn left if not 5. It would be really easy for the spawn to pick off both Kwhit and myself tonight as there seems only one legit protector (assuming Passacaglia is good here) in Mrs.Schmidty and there is a doctor to protect as well..

It doesn't really matter who we lynch from that standpoint.. Hoopsguy or Chubby as we can't kill off both of them and with a night kill of both Kwhit and myself, the other one will ascend to captaincy and be unlynchable for the rest of the game thus winning.

I'd be willing to give up my life vouching for Kwhit if he could get protection tonight, but that also means the doctor goes unprotected.. How do we proceed with today without opening the door for an unopposable spawn victory?

[Danny]

Alright, just so I have it for tonight then:

Tyrith, JEHeinz72, and I will work on the security HQ

Claphamsa and Danny should work on the cargo hold

Correct?

Sounds good

[claphamsa]

works for me!

[claphamsa]

I have put in an order to go to the cargo hold and work with danny!

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, I said it before but I'll reiterate. I trust your instincts, do what you think is necessary. Part of being the captain means that you have to make the tough choices.

I see the danger of the progression if you and KWhit are knocked off. Even if Hoops is good, that makes him a good target too as the wolves have already proven that they can knock out three.

Tonight, as villagers, we should probably pull out all the stops to keep things in our favor, if we have someone that can night kill should, duke if you must, protect our most valuable assets, etc.

I would hate to lose the doctor but if we allow wolves to be captain and first mate, we're basically done since we can't call mutiny.

[PurdueBrad]

My night order for the security HQ is in.

[Danny]

Right now, I prefer a vote for Chubby, though both he and Oliegirl are bad.

Vote Chubby

I will change if needed to make sure one of the two get lynched, though I have a feeling it may not matter if Alan does what I think he is considering.

[hoopsguy]

Vote count as of Post #3583:

Chubby - Hoops (3530), Tyrith (3533), Jackal (3535), Purdue (3541)
Olie - KWhit (3413), Clap (3419), Mrs Schmidty (3456)
Bullet - Chubby (3324)
Mrs Schmidty - Olie (3457)

[Passacaglia]

Actually I came back to the thread as I'm reconsidering what to do with my actions today and need some help from a few people.. today unfortunately is the win/lose day I think for us. People who aren't willing to humor my gut feelings for now, please don't bother responding. For everyone else...

Assume that Hoopsguy really is the unaware spawn. I am concerned with the captaincy of this ship. I am pretty sure there are at least 4 spawn left if not 5. It would be really easy for the spawn to pick off both Kwhit and myself tonight as there seems only one legit protector (assuming Passacaglia is good here) in Mrs.Schmidty and there is a doctor to protect as well..

It doesn't really matter who we lynch from that standpoint.. Hoopsguy or Chubby as we can't kill off both of them and with a night kill of both Kwhit and myself, the other one will ascend to captaincy and be unlynchable for the rest of the game thus winning.

I'd be willing to give up my life vouching for Kwhit if he could get protection tonight, but that also means the doctor goes unprotected.. How do we proceed with today without opening the door for an unopposable spawn victory?

If that's the plan, why didn't they pick both of you off last night?

[Alan T]

Actually I came back to the thread as I'm reconsidering what to do with my actions today and need some help from a few people.. today unfortunately is the win/lose day I think for us. People who aren't willing to humor my gut feelings for now, please don't bother responding. For everyone else...

Assume that Hoopsguy really is the unaware spawn. I am concerned with the captaincy of this ship. I am pretty sure there are at least 4 spawn left if not 5. It would be really easy for the spawn to pick off both Kwhit and myself tonight as there seems only one legit protector (assuming Passacaglia is good here) in Mrs.Schmidty and there is a doctor to protect as well..

It doesn't really matter who we lynch from that standpoint.. Hoopsguy or Chubby as we can't kill off both of them and with a night kill of both Kwhit and myself, the other one will ascend to captaincy and be unlynchable for the rest of the game thus winning.

I'd be willing to give up my life vouching for Kwhit if he could get protection tonight, but that also means the doctor goes unprotected.. How do we proceed with today without opening the door for an unopposable spawn victory?


The only way I see around this scenerio that can save the doctor and kwhit is if we have a vigilante out and about... Here is what I would propose:

I can duke Hoopsguy, and the vigilante kill off Chubby at night. Mrs.Schmidty can protect Passacaglia the doctor..

That frees up everyone to mutiny if they so choose based on the result of the hoopsguy duking, and the bad guys likely will kill off kwhit at night if not kwhit and myself..

Leaving 0 command officers and no one who can be unlynchable for the rest of the game. From there on out it is a straight WW game for everyone left...

Thoughts?

[Danny]

I have put in an order to go to the cargo hold and work with danny!

I put in my order as well.

[Alan T]

If that's the plan, why didn't they pick both of you off last night?


I assume the doctors were higher priority for them than the command staff. I know I was rested going into last night and put in an order to stay awake to help myself vs an attack and assume kwhit did the same without any other choices. Seemed to me that the doctors were the better reward/risk ratio

[claphamsa]

Vote count as of Post #3583:

Chubby - Hoops (3530), Tyrith (3533), Jackal (3535), Purdue (3541)
Olie - KWhit (3413), Clap (3419), Mrs Schmidty (3456)
Bullet - Chubby (3324)
Mrs Schmidty - Olie (3457)



Wow, thats it? how many do we need now?

unvote olie
vote chuby

[Danny]

The only way I see around this scenerio that can save the doctor and kwhit is if we have a vigilante out and about... Here is what I would propose:

I can duke Hoopsguy, and the vigilante kill off Chubby at night. Mrs.Schmidty can protect Passacaglia the doctor..

That frees up everyone to mutiny if they so choose based on the result of the hoopsguy duking, and the bad guys likely will kill off kwhit at night if not kwhit and myself..

Leaving 0 command officers and no one who can be unlynchable for the rest of the game. From there on out it is a straight WW game for everyone left...

Thoughts?

If you're set on duking Hoops then this looks like the ideal scenario.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, Chubby is pretty much 100% shown to be wolf in the thread. He also has a phaser to assist with his attack tonight. Finally, you don't have to pigeon-hole him into a specific role to make him fit your theory.

Let the vote for him stand. I'll be looking to take out whichever wolf is not voted out by the crew this evening - I may fail as I'm exhausted and don't have a phaser anymore. But I also could have used this role against you for the past couple of days and haven't done so.

Unless the Spawn can take three of us out tonight, minus 1-2 Spawn that they had on attacks last night, we will still have control of the Captain chair tomorrow.

I recognize that you are past the point of being in any way rational about me this game, but I'm trying really hard to win the game for the village. And I'm frustrated about facing obstacles that I just should not have to deal with, frankly.

[Alan T]

If you're set on duking Hoops then this looks like the ideal scenario.


Well obviously if i was set on duking Hoops I wouldn't be back here trying to ask for other people's thoughts. I'm trying to win the game, and I think we have a good shot in a conventional WW environment.. if a spawn gets captain, then this becomes very difficult to win as they can't be lynched.

So the only way I can see this working is if we have a vigilante still and then it would open me up to a mutiny which I would accept as part of the deal.

[hoopsguy]

Unless there are multiple Vigilantes, your plan dukes the vigilante.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, can I begin work training someone for Sergeant at Arms today, with the idea that if Oliegirl is still alive tomorrow morning then the person trained is not able to fill the spot?

Alan, read between the lines on this request please. K, thanks.
The security crew don't need training, they just need to be moved around. There can only be one of each of the specialists (warden, S-a-A, Slavemaster, and galleymaster) at any time. If the position isn't vacant the current person in that role needs to be moved away from it first before a new person can be moved in.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so can I put in an order to move "Player X" to "Position Y" if it is currently filled, with the assumption that it will be empty tomorrow when the order goes into effect?

[Alan T]

Unless there are multiple Vigilantes, your plan dukes the vigilante.

Hoops, make PurdueBrad the security crewman then in your ability to change positions..

I trust him right now, and I want more security who can protect people. This way I won't have to waste AP overuling you. I already discussed with Barkeep about the moving him to olie's position and he won't let me, so I assume he won't let you either.

I'll reconsider my thoughts about you after that while i have my softball game tonight and in the mean time everyone should vote for Chubby I suppose.

[Danny]

The list of people I feel good about right now are listed below

Kwhit- Absolute trust group with Alan

Alan-Scan by chubby all of a sudden doesn't mean anything, but cleared by Pass previously and I don't see any of the people near him being converted.

Schmidty- used the duplicator move which means at the time he must have been a villager

Pass- Has to be a villager as he used the duplicator move after conversions could not be completed

Jeheinz- I've worked with him four times, twice alone and have got nothing on him.

Hoops- has a good scan on him, so only could be the unaware spawn.

I feel pretty good about Tyrith and PB as well, but not as much as Jeheinz from my ability.

[Alan T]

The list of people I feel good about right now are listed below

Kwhit- Absolute trust group with Alan

Alan-Scan by chubby all of a sudden doesn't mean anything, but cleared by Pass previously and I don't see any of the people near him being converted.

Schmidty- used the duplicator move which means at the time he must have been a villager

Pass- Has to be a villager as he used the duplicator move after conversions could not be completed

Jeheinz- I've worked with him four times, twice alone and have got nothing on him.

Hoops- has a good scan on him, so only could be the unaware spawn.

I feel pretty good about Tyrith and PB as well, but not as much as Jeheinz from my ability.

Just to clarify, I was scanned by Path whom turned up good, empath scanned by Marc whom turned up good, and in an absolute trust group with kwhit.

[Alan T]

Vote Chubby

[Danny]

Just to clarify, I was scanned by Path whom turned up good, empath scanned by Marc whom turned up good, and in an absolute trust group with kwhit.

I was thinking it was Chubby who empathed you. I felt you were definitely good anyway, but there's really no way you could be bad now.

[Danny]

BK, any chance we could get an update to the crew section on page 1?

[Passacaglia]

The list of people I feel good about right now are listed below

Kwhit- Absolute trust group with Alan

Alan-Scan by chubby all of a sudden doesn't mean anything, but cleared by Path previously and I don't see any of the people near him being converted.

Schmidty- used the duplicator move which means at the time he must have been a villager

Pass- Has to be a villager as he used the duplicator move after conversions could not be completed

Jeheinz- I've worked with him four times, twice alone and have got nothing on him.

Hoops- has a good scan on him, so only could be the unaware spawn.

I feel pretty good about Tyrith and PB as well, but not as much as Jeheinz from my ability.

Fixed.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, PurdueBrad is an engineer - that is a specialist, not enlisted crew. So I can't move him.

My candidates include, from Post #3315:
1.) Medic Jackal - don't feel great about his "me too" on Absolute Trust
2.) Medic Bullet - no thanks, exhausted first two days when we think spawnling attacks took place
3.) Security Crew Mrs Schmidty - already has the role you want
4.) Slavemaster Saldana - fake cleared by Spawn Chubby, % of conversion on away missions high, strongly disagree with him as candidate
5.) Galley Master Schmidty - if you trust him, I think you want him right where he is. I'm willing to listen to reasons around him, but they probably have to involve water dispersal later in the game

So those are my options. I would like to have someone able to use the Brig to protect some of our resources, but even if I issue an order here it won't be operational tonight because the person won't be ready until tomorrow.

[Danny]

Fixed.

Oops, either way you're both good though

[Passacaglia]

I assume the doctors were higher priority for them than the command staff. I know I was rested going into last night and put in an order to stay awake to help myself vs an attack and assume kwhit did the same without any other choices. Seemed to me that the doctors were the better reward/risk ratio

I don't really agree with that, considering that it was expected that the doctors would be guarded.

[Barkeep49]

OK, so can I put in an order to move "Player X" to "Position Y" if it is currently filled, with the assumption that it will be empty tomorrow when the order goes into effect?
I guess. Nothing will happen if that person is still in the role tomorrow, however.

[Barkeep49]

BK, any chance we could get an update to the crew section on page 1?
Use the Start of Day 4 link. It's updated after each cycle there.

[Danny]

Also, for those that worry that I fake revealed as spawn aware. I did so early in the game and no one else has come forward as having that ability. Considering the Chubby/MV, Absolute trust stuff, if there was another spawn aware person they would likely have come forward by now.

This doesn't clear me by any means, but it shouldn't be hard to see that it's more likely that I really am spawn aware.

[Alan T]

Alan, PurdueBrad is an engineer - that is a specialist, not enlisted crew. So I can't move him.




Ok, if there is no one you can move, make Purduebrad an officer, that would then limit my fears of a spawn becoming captain and help keep me from wanting to lynch you because of it :)

[Alan T]

Ok, if there is no one you can move, make Purduebrad an officer, that would then limit my fears of a spawn becoming captain and help keep me from wanting to lynch you because of it :)

Dola the idea is Chubby gets lynched and PurdueBrad would end up being a security chief and be able to guard people that way.

[hoopsguy]

Understood - Alan, I think the best order to put into place is an order to backfill Olie's position with Mrs Schmidty, based on the Pass clear move.

Mrs Schmidty retains her abilities tonight and gets to hand out phasers tomorrow, in the event that she is able to slide into the role.

The Spawn get to worry about me putting a night-kill on one of their members which should impact their plans for tonight. I know that this would have worked better as a surprise attack, but I feel like my hand was forced in the thread by your continued duking threats. Sigh ... whatever, it still is disruptive to them.

[Alan T]

Dola the idea is Chubby gets lynched and PurdueBrad would end up being a security chief and be able to guard people that way.


Actually that won't work as I still bet I get killed tonight, and you wouldn't be able to train him 2 days and he never will end up an officer. bleh

[Alan T]

Understood - Alan, I think the best order to put into place is an order to backfill Olie's position with Mrs Schmidty, based on the Pass clear move.

Mrs Schmidty retains her abilities tonight and gets to hand out phasers tomorrow, in the event that she is able to slide into the role.

The Spawn get to worry about me putting a night-kill on one of their members which should impact their plans for tonight. I know that this would have worked better as a surprise attack, but I feel like my hand was forced in the thread by your continued duking threats. Sigh ... whatever, it still is disruptive to them.

Ok, fine I won't interfere with this then.

I'm out to go take my WW frustration out on a softball game.

[Alan T]

I put my order in to kill off the slaves once the slave pen is finished repaired (The engineers have been working on that today right? if not, then I can't kill them)

[bulletsponge]

finaly it seems others are coming around to the fact that Chubby is a spawn, something i knew a few days ago. cant believe all yall hardcore WW players didnt jump on him as soon as he made MV waste his powers on him.

Vote Chubby

hehe i really want to see him die before me this game :)

[hoopsguy]

Right, was just getting to the "two days" part of that.

I'll keep my snarky "batting average" comments to myself. Good luck with softball.

I'm going to issue my order now since it looks like you agree this is the way to go. Or at least don't hate it enough that you are suggesting that you will overrule it.

[The Jackal]

If you don't want to trust me to take on other duties I understand, but I'm more than willing.

[hoopsguy]

Vote count as of Post #3619:

Chubby - Hoops (3530), Tyrith (3533), Jackal (3535), Purdue (3541), Danny (3586), Clap (3592), Alan (3602), Bullet (3618)

Olie - KWhit (3413), Mrs Schmidty (3456)

Bullet - Chubby (3324)

Mrs Schmidty - Olie (3457)



We now have enough for a lynch, by my count.

[Danny]

Spawn and villagers should all make an agreement to at least keep Alan and Hoops around until we break the werewolf post count record.

[Barkeep49]

Spawn and villagers should all make an agreement to at least keep Alan and Hoops around until we break the werewolf post count record.
We're 1600 posts away. I was sure we had it in the bag but after the initial flurry of the first three days these last two have been slow. And I'm not sure that hoops wants to help break the record in that game.

[Danny]

I think we're only 600 away

[Barkeep49]

I think we're only 600 away
You're right.

[hoopsguy]

We're 1600 posts away. I was sure we had it in the bag but after the initial flurry of the first three days these last two have been slow. And I'm not sure that hoops wants to help break the record in that game.

Records are made to be broken. I'm amused that the top two games are ones where I didn't get to post as a player.

[Tyrith]

Records are made to be broken. I'm amused that the top two games are ones where I didn't get to post as a player.

And we're also planning on getting the record BACK if you take it from us, too :P

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, I don't plan on allowing this "no kill" foolishness in our game :) So that might make it a little challenging to reclaim the title from this 23 player game. Particularly if BK doesn't step up and post at the same rate I did in his.

[Tyrith]

Tyrith, I don't plan on allowing this "no kill" foolishness in our game :) So that might make it a little challenging to reclaim the title from this 23 player game. Particularly if BK doesn't step up and post at the same rate I did in his.

We'll just post 6 or 8 pages of game rules.

[Barkeep49]

And we're also planning on getting the record BACK if you take it from us, too :P
See I don't think you realize what record we're going for. Currently we're aiming for largest single thread game. Survivor, complete with it's 8400+ posts, owns the most post for a game. It's posts are just spread-out through 6 threads.

[Tyrith]

See I don't think you realize what record we're going for. Currently we're aiming for largest single thread game. Survivor, complete with it's 8400+ posts, owns the most post for a game. It's posts are just spread-out through 6 threads.

That game was like angst central -- I'm trying to forget about it, to be honest.

[Barkeep49]

Tyrith, I don't plan on allowing this "no kill" foolishness in our game :) So that might make it a little challenging to reclaim the title from this 23 player game. Particularly if BK doesn't step up and post at the same rate I did in his.
You had 25 players. It's not like we're talking apples and oranges here.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed, it isn't the # of players that is the big difference - it is the fact that no one died for a couple of days.

Formula:
1.) get a lot of players to start
2.) give players a reason to post (individual actions)
3.) have a ruleset that encourages collaboration on some level
4.) have the most vocal players live for awhile

If those things happen, you are going to have a game with a lot of activity/posts. The moderator can control the first three, but not necessarily the fourth.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright guys, I'm out until after deadline. Will be back after softball. I have an order in to do repairs assuming nothing changes with my role. IF something changes with my role, I will be on this evening in order to make any necessary changes.

Lets get a good lynch tonight guys, that would be huge to get three in a row.

[hoopsguy]

Olie, what do you want on your tombstone?

[Passacaglia]

Olie, what do you want on your tombstone?

I'd like it to say "Passacaglia voted for her before anyone else" or maybe "Passacaglia voted for her even when everyone else wanted him to vote Chubby" -- oh yeah,

VOTE OLIEGIRL

, or maybe just "Spawn" would work, too.

[oliegirl]

Olie, what do you want on your tombstone?

I'm not even dead! Why aren't you asking Chubby that question?????

If I get voted off tomorrow, I'll let you know...probably something like "Damn Pass for leading the lynch on me as a villager yet again".

[Passacaglia]

I'm not even dead! Why aren't you asking Chubby that question?????

If I get voted off tomorrow, I'll let you know...probably something like "Damn Pass for leading the lynch on me as a villager yet again".

I think you missed where hoops claimed to be the vigilante. Seems like he's working alone on this one -- sorry.

[claphamsa]

wow! talks about running into a brick wall!

[claphamsa]

im 400 posts behind alan T