LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Passacaglia]

Now for my vote switch. Right before I left, path made a good point. hoops, who has been scanned cleaned, said he saw Telle up to something. That scan is not totally trustworthy, but it's enough for me to give him a little benefit of the doubt. And if Telle comes up good, then we'll know that we should be looking hard at whether this COT is real.

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE TELLE

Yeah, my vote should've been crystal clear. I was all after hoops until he was scanned and then of course wouldn't vote him and additionally gave a ton of creedence to his night results.

I would like to hear how you feel your course of action differs from olie's

It's on the way.

[jeheinz72]

Meeting time and then lunch, I'll be back in a bit.

[jeheinz72]

Pass, that quote on your above post (where you voted Telle) doesn't mean much.

It was 7 or 8 to a bunch of singletons at that point and you voting because of the semi-COT member Hoops saw him up to somethings wasn't exactly a new revelations. That's why I had voted Telle some two hundred posts earlier and I'd bet was the reasoning behind the votes that PB, Danny, Chubby and KWhit put on her.

I know you were in and out a lot the last few days, so maybe it's a timing thing, but it wasn't a new idea there.


Ok, meeting time, for real now.

[Tyrith]

Well, today is going to suck on the discussion front, and I'm not going to help by leaving now.

Saldana...I think you're good. But the math beats you. If you're good, I really am sorry it had to go like this.

VOTE SALDANA

[path12]

I get the math thing on Saldana, but he's done nothing so far that makes me suspect him. I have had odd feelings about Pass most of the game, but have no idea where I'm voting at this point -- there are others I'd like to look at also.

[Tyrith]

I get the math thing on Saldana, but he's done nothing so far that makes me suspect him. I have had odd feelings about Pass most of the game, but have no idea where I'm voting at this point -- there are others I'd like to look at also.

To be fair, saldana, in terms of talking in the thread, has been pretty far UTR. Which makes me feel only slightly better about it.

[Passacaglia]

Now for my vote switch. Right before I left, path made a good point. hoops, who has been scanned cleaned, said he saw Telle up to something. That scan is not totally trustworthy, but it's enough for me to give him a little benefit of the doubt. And if Telle comes up good, then we'll know that we should be looking hard at whether this COT is real.

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE TELLE

2557 -- I probably should have thought this through better earlier and put in my vote then, but i'm not going to whine about it -- and i don't feel too bad about it, since a lot of people didn't come to this conclusion even by the end of the day.

Not sure what you have in mind, but even though I'm trying to not rely solely on my gut feelings this game I do have a pretty good gut feeling that kwhit is still ok.

2563 -- Note Alan's use of the term 'gut feeling' here. If I was trying to save Telle, why would I have taken my vote off No Lynch in the first place?

This post really worries me. Hasn't KWhit already been cleared? Why pile on?

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE ALAN T

FWIW, though, I will switch back to Telle if it's needed to lynch her.

2575 and 2577 -- This looked weird at the time, but I explained it later -- I thought Alan was hinting at the 'gut feeling' role. Alan's post where I thought he was hinting at it came after I voted for Telle the first time -- it couldn't have been part of any grand scheme to vote her, then unvote her (unless Alan was involved in it).

I'm back from dinner and caught up...

The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned that Telle was infected on one of her missions, but I don't know if there is enough evidence to justify me putting a vote on her. It's crazy to think that we don't have any spawn among us at this point, but no one has been killed which is kind of freaking me out. I don't think I've played a game where the wolves are this quiet. Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone.

I'm not a fan of No Lynch - but in this case I am not comfortable with anything else.

UNVOTE MARC VAUGHAN
VOTE NO EXECUTION

2585 -- here comes olie. She's concerned about Telle having been infected, but she doesn't know if there's enough evidence. She's not a fan of No Lynch. But she votes it anyway?


What about hoops spying on her?

2587 -- I ask her about hoops spying on her.

And is this serious?

2590 -- I'm asking her about the comment in 2585 that "Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone."

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way :D

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever ;)

2604 -- olie reiterates that hoops's evidence isn't convincing to her, but she's being pretty open about trying to buy trust by 'voting with the village' -- if it's a runaway (which she claims it is in this post), then of course the wolves are going to hide themselves this way.


Okay, if no one is going to follow me on Alan, that's fine.

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE TELLE

Here's the end. My late vote switch (from Alan to Telle) was done to make sure Telle got lynched, while olie's was simply to 'vote with the village.'

[oliegirl]

I get the math thing on Saldana, but he's done nothing so far that makes me suspect him. I have had odd feelings about Pass most of the game, but have no idea where I'm voting at this point -- there are others I'd like to look at also.

Voting "the odds" bothers me. It's one thing if the person whose numbers are against the odds has done anything wolfish - but Saldana hasn't. We have a couple of "real" candidates who have at least been accused of wolfy activity, I feel like our focus should be there rather than on Saldana who everyone agrees hasn't done anything. We need our security staff, so we don't need to chance lynching a good guy based only on numbers.

[Passacaglia]

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

This one is the real 2604. It's what I was referring to in my 2604 bullet point -- my multi-quote got wonky.

[Passacaglia]

It was meant to be sarcastic and ironic - but I can see it didn't come across that way :D

You've just been looking for something to harass me about haven't you???? I knew the lack of harassing from your wouldn't last forever ;)

What I meant to say about this post, which is 2606, is this: Here she's replying to my 2590, where I ask if she was serious about her 2585, where she said "Maybe if we just keep voting No Lynch they will keep leaving us alone." She wasn't serious -- which is good -- but I don't see any other reason for her to have voted No Lynch.

[oliegirl]

Pass - I wasn't as you say, trying to "buy trust" by voting with the village. There have been lots and lots of instances where someone has said something to the effect of "I'm not convinced but am willing to vote with the village b/c that is what is best". That does not equal someone being a wolf.

Second, I made it VERY clear that although I was aware of hoops evidence against Telle, I didn't think the word of an unverified scanner was enough to lynch someone on. Oddly enough - you were so gung ho on trusting hoops but earlier in the day you had made a comment to me about "blindly trusting" his advice on who to give phasers to. So first you want me to not trust him and "follow my gut", and then when I do exactly that by voting no lynch - when it all revolved around information from hoops - you tell me that I'm a wolf. You can't have it both ways.

Thirdly, I've always made it clear that I didn't like a no lynch vote...that is why I very specifically said in my post (that you quoted) that I wasn't comfortable with anything else. I rethought it and changed my mind a moment later, and decided I'd rather vote with the village than vote no lynch. Not the first time someone has changed their mind. You yourself changed your vote at least as many times as I did yesterday - even voting for the captain which is even MORE of a "wasted vote" than my no lynch vote was.

[oliegirl]

All of your "misquotes" and mis-references remind me of mccollins' slip up last game where he mentioned PM's and then had to backtrack his way out of it...of course he ended up being a wolf in that game, and I was lynched as a villager within a day of jumping on his mistake...you going to try to repeat history???

[Passacaglia]

Pass - I wasn't as you say, trying to "buy trust" by voting with the village. There have been lots and lots of instances where someone has said something to the effect of "I'm not convinced but am willing to vote with the village b/c that is what is best". That does not equal someone being a wolf.
[QUOTE]

You're right -- it usually means that they have no idea, and just don't want their vote to stick out. Combining it with the other things I mentioned, and it makes you look more wolfish.

[QUOTE=oliegirl]
Second, I made it VERY clear that although I was aware of hoops evidence against Telle, I didn't think the word of an unverified scanner was enough to lynch someone on.


I never said you weren't aware of it, and I don't recall you mentioning the fact that he was inverified at all. Anyway, this sounds like a strange opinion, for someone who is not a fan of No Lynch.


Oddly enough - you were so gung ho on trusting hoops but earlier in the day you had made a comment to me about "blindly trusting" his advice on who to give phasers to. So first you want me to not trust him and "follow my gut", and then when I do exactly that by voting no lynch - when it all revolved around information from hoops - you tell me that I'm a wolf. You can't have it both ways.


The action of yours to ask hoops what you should do is similar to your action of 'voting with the village' -- it's an attempt to shed responsibility for your actions. It's not solely a wolf move -- villagers do it, too, because they're afraid of being lynched -- but it's more likely to be a wolf, and it certainly doesn't help the village. Also, I never told you that you were a wolf -- you must have figured that one out yourself. :p


Thirdly, I've always made it clear that I didn't like a no lynch vote...that is why I very specifically said in my post (that you quoted) that I wasn't comfortable with anything else. I rethought it and changed my mind a moment later, and decided I'd rather vote with the village than vote no lynch. Not the first time someone has changed their mind. You yourself changed your vote at least as many times as I did yesterday - even voting for the captain which is even MORE of a "wasted vote" than my no lynch vote was.

I can understand that. What was it that made you change your mind in that 17 minutes? Why was voting with the village suddenly more important than voting what was more comfortable for you?

[Passacaglia]

All of your "misquotes" and mis-references remind me of mccollins' slip up last game where he mentioned PM's and then had to backtrack his way out of it...of course he ended up being a wolf in that game, and I was lynched as a villager within a day of jumping on his mistake...you going to try to repeat history???

I haven't misquoted anything you said -- if I had, please point it out and I'll apologize. That's some serious shit you're slinging around, though.

[Passacaglia]

All of your "misquotes" and mis-references remind me of mccollins' slip up last game where he mentioned PM's and then had to backtrack his way out of it...of course he ended up being a wolf in that game, and I was lynched as a villager within a day of jumping on his mistake...you going to try to repeat history???

Also, in that game, Telle was a villager, so mccollins obviously wasn't really referring to PMs from her.

[RendeR]

I disagree with the focus on the water generators, we have enough water for tomorrow morning, that gives us tonight, tomorrow morning and tomorrow night, the following morning to repair the water system before anyone is in danger of dying from dehydration. 3 full cycles of repair time. We need to get the pens, the HQ and the cargo hold repaired as soon as possible.

Personally I think the pens and the HQ should go first, as the worst case scenario is the slaves rioting yet again and causing MORE damage. The HQ gives us a safe haven WITH BEDS, and access to all the security abilities.

I'm worried that we're focusing on the water at the detriment of the entire mission. Even if some people die due to dehydration we still can finish the mission, the the slaves riot or the spawn damage the cargo hold more or anything more due to a lack of phasers and security ability then we're screwed.

[oliegirl]

Also, in that game, Telle was a villager, so mccollins obviously wasn't really referring to PMs from her.

Right - but he was a wolf, so the error was the same. And by misquoting I meant quoting the wrong thing and then going back and saying "in this post I meant to quote this post by Olie"...like you did in your post at 2:12 and 2:16.

I am not the one who brought up not trusting hoops on who to give phasers to. You did. On day one Alan asked for me and hoops to work together on that, which is what we have been doing. Hoops scan of Telle was never proven as good or bad b/c he had not been scanned. If you remember, day one I didn't follow his suggestions for phasers exactly, I gave you one against his recommendation - that is what brought on schmidty's temper tantrum. Now that hoops' scan of Telle has come back as true, I figure he is either a wolf willing to unneccesarily throw a fellow wolf under the bus (unlikely at this point) or he got a good scan, thus placing him closer to my CoT.

And you haven't come out and accused me of being a wolf, but you have come pretty damn close. I've given my reasons for my vote last night - I didn't want to vote Telle based on hoops scan, but then changed my mind. End of story.

[Passacaglia]

End of story.

Sounds good.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[oliegirl]

If you going going to push it...

VOTE PASS

[Alan T]

I'm popping in just for a second. got to the hotel but going to obviously not be online much for the rest of the day.. I can see why people would vote for Saldana based on math.. but I think he has been a good trooper so far and done a nasty mission that very likely put him on the lynch block. I think we owe it to him as all of his missions were fairly successful to at least put a doctor scan of him tommorrow. (Since Marc vaughn should scan Path today) Some people mention Passacaglia has been fishy.. I've had odd vibes from him all game myself. I'm trying very hard to not rely on gut instincts though this game, so I likely won't be voting for him today.. However if you are going to vote for him today would be the day to do it as the brig is not in working condition and Render could use his ability today to make a new warden that would be useful before tommorrow... (Render if it looks like Pass might be lynched today, please use your ability to move someone you trust to warden).. THe other option mentioned this morning is probably the one I will vote for.. Lonestargirl, like Saldana has gone out several times outside as she was asked, which is a good mark for her.. The bad mark however is our single worst mission so far was when her and Hoops went out.. Theoretically they should have had bonus from a scientist there as well as a little bonus from a planned mission.. but they still bombed big time.. Afterwards hoops was scanned to be good, so it is less likely that he was the person affecting that mission (only could have done so if he is the unaware spawn).. which leaves us with Lonestargirl... It could have been a very bad dice roll too but if we have to vote for someone, I think I'll vote for her as someone who has been off the ship multiple times, had poor results from a mining mission that seems to only be directly related to either her or poor dice rolls and a role that is not an engineer needing to fix things.

[Alan T]

Sorry for the poor formatting there.. here it is fixed since I can't edit that one:



I'm popping in just for a second. got to the hotel but going to obviously not be online much for the rest of the day..


I can see why people would vote for Saldana based on math.. but I think he has been a good trooper so far and done a nasty mission that very likely put him on the lynch block. I think we owe it to him as all of his missions were fairly successful to at least put a doctor scan of him tommorrow. (Since Marc vaughn should scan Path today)

Some people mention Passacaglia has been fishy.. I've had odd vibes from him all game myself. I'm trying very hard to not rely on gut instincts though this game, so I likely won't be voting for him today.. However if you are going to vote for him today would be the day to do it as the brig is not in working condition and Render could use his ability today to make a new warden that would be useful before tommorrow... (Render if it looks like Pass might be lynched today, please use your ability to move someone you trust to warden)..

THe other option mentioned this morning is probably the one I will vote for.. Lonestargirl, like Saldana has gone out several times outside as she was asked, which is a good mark for her.. The bad mark however is our single worst mission so far was when her and Hoops went out.. Theoretically they should have had bonus from a scientist there as well as a little bonus from a planned mission.. but they still bombed big time.. Afterwards hoops was scanned to be good, so it is less likely that he was the person affecting that mission (only could have done so if he is the unaware spawn).. which leaves us with Lonestargirl... It could have been a very bad dice roll too but if we have to vote for someone, I think I'll vote for her as someone who has been off the ship multiple times, had poor results from a mining mission that seems to only be directly related to either her or poor dice rolls and a role that is not an engineer needing to fix things.

[Passacaglia]

If you going going to push it...

VOTE PASS

I was actually going to give you more time to explain yourself, but you wanted to end the story.

[jeheinz72]

I think in the case of Pass vs Olie I can't see not picking Pass.

I'm open to other people, but if that's the horserace we're focused on, I've picked my horse.

[oliegirl]

I was actually going to give you more time to explain yourself, but you wanted to end the story.

What else do you want me to explain? I've answered all your questions and accusations at least twice already. There is no other explanation for why I changed my vote, except that I changed my mind. That is why I said end of story.

I wasn't planning on voting for you today so if you move off me, I'll do the same.

[Passacaglia]

What else do you want me to explain? I've answered all your questions and accusations at least twice already. There is no other explanation for why I changed my vote, except that I changed my mind. That is why I said end of story.

I wasn't planning on voting for you today so if you move off me, I'll do the same.

I guess the thing that jumps out most is that I still don't know why you changed your ming.

[Passacaglia]

mind

[Passacaglia]

I think in the case of Pass vs Olie I can't see not picking Pass.

I'm open to other people, but if that's the horserace we're focused on, I've picked my horse.

Why's that?

[LoneStarGirl]

THe other option mentioned this morning is probably the one I will vote for.. Lonestargirl, like Saldana has gone out several times outside as she was asked, which is a good mark for her.. The bad mark however is our single worst mission so far was when her and Hoops went out.. Theoretically they should have had bonus from a scientist there as well as a little bonus from a planned mission.. but they still bombed big time.. Afterwards hoops was scanned to be good, so it is less likely that he was the person affecting that mission (only could have done so if he is the unaware spawn).. which leaves us with Lonestargirl... It could have been a very bad dice roll too but if we have to vote for someone, I think I'll vote for her as someone who has been off the ship multiple times, had poor results from a mining mission that seems to only be directly related to either her or poor dice rolls and a role that is not an engineer needing to fix things.

I thought I only went on a mission once? Am i forgetting a mission?

[Passacaglia]

I wasn't planning on voting for you today so if you move off me, I'll do the same.

If I were to move off you, and you were to move off me, who would you vote for?

[jeheinz72]

Why's that?

I don't think you made much of a case against her frankly, and you gave me the heebie-jeebies a long while back.

[Passacaglia]

I don't think you made much of a case against her frankly, and you gave me the heebie-jeebies a long while back.

Damn, what'd I do, guarantee a tie or something?

[saldana]

you all have no idea how ironic it is that i have the whole afternoon off, and no one is posting, whereas yesterday, i was getting slammed at work, and everytime i tried to peak in, there were 2 or 3 new pages.

[jeheinz72]

***ENGINEERS***

Ok, here is what we should be at, plus anything we occur at the end of the day

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

Clap is following Tyrith. I think we need to focus in this order

Water
Slaves
Cargo
Security
Beds

I'm putting an order in tonight to work on the water plant. I'll let you guys decide if you need to back me up on account of worrying if I fake (which would be a bad spawn move, I"ll add) or more likely, failure due to exhaustion. But I'll let you all figure that out (I'd presume Danny or PB would work with me as well).

Tyrith and Clap are working together, I'd recommend on the Slaves to get that done. Then whoever is left can work on the hold.


I have to put my actions in for day and night 5 now, so I'll be following around Tyrith as I now realize that Clap should be back online by then so it won't be a double-follow situation as I had worried. So keep that in mind Tyrith.

[jeheinz72]

Damn, what'd I do, guarantee a tie or something?

Well only villagers guarantee non-ties. :devil:

But just the general vibe. My only rational (non-Spawn) reasoning is that yoiu're busy (which I understand) and the reduced time doesn't corrolate well with your general style of play.

Still, I don't like going after Sal for the numbers.

I'm only somewhat compelled on the LSG/Failed-Mission take

I'm only somewhat intrigued by Bullet's odd behavior.


Plus, I think you are by and large rather expendable role-wise with our CoT potentially shot to hell tonight without a brig.

[oliegirl]

mind

If I had to pinpoint something I guess it would be thinking that if I'm trusting hoops to give input on who to give phasers to, then I really didn't have reason to not trust him regarding Telle. I like to have more solid information when there is such a runaway, which is why I originally voted no lynch. But then I thought about it and realized that if I was going to trust him for one, I should trust him for the other.

[oliegirl]

If I were to move off you, and you were to move off me, who would you vote for?

Either LSG, Chubby or Bullet. But since we don't have deadline until Sunday (or Monday, I forget now), I haven't given it all that much thought and wasn't worrying about it yet.

[saldana]

Either LSG, Chubby or Bullet. But since we don't have deadline until Sunday (or Monday, I forget now), I haven't given it all that much thought and wasn't worrying about it yet.

we have a lynch deadline tonight...the night phase lasts until sunday or monday

[oliegirl]

we have a lynch deadline tonight...the night phase lasts until sunday or monday

Crap. Guess I do need to decide then, huh???

[Passacaglia]

Well only villagers guarantee non-ties. :devil:

But just the general vibe. My only rational (non-Spawn) reasoning is that yoiu're busy (which I understand) and the reduced time doesn't corrolate well with your general style of play.

Still, I don't like going after Sal for the numbers.

I'm only somewhat compelled on the LSG/Failed-Mission take

I'm only somewhat intrigued by Bullet's odd behavior.


Plus, I think you are by and large rather expendable role-wise with our CoT potentially shot to hell tonight without a brig.

I can't really argue with the stuff in your post here about me -- I'm pretty scatter-brained, and it's usually the fact that I pop in a lot and look back at stuff that helps me recover. The reduced time probably isn't as big of a deal as the stress going along with it, that's making me more scatter-brained. And you're probably right about my role being expendable for the moment, but I think the same can be said about olie -- with no HQ, she can't do her thang, either.

Is there something in what I said about olie that makes it less convincing? Keep in mind, it only started as me trying to explain to you why what I did was different than what she did, not to make a case for her being a wolf. There are some good reasons for me to trust her, so it's not like I have blinders on here. She was with me guarding the HQ last night, and she was on the ball about making sure we repair the HQ soon for the phasers. On the other hand, there are problems with that, because there was no attack on the HQ last night, and because if she's a wolf and in control of the phasers, then letting her get the phasers back helps the wolves.

[Passacaglia]

If I had to pinpoint something I guess it would be thinking that if I'm trusting hoops to give input on who to give phasers to, then I really didn't have reason to not trust him regarding Telle. I like to have more solid information when there is such a runaway, which is why I originally voted no lynch. But then I thought about it and realized that if I was going to trust him for one, I should trust him for the other.

Then why didn't you just say that, instead of saying that by voting with the village, you're proving that you're not spawn?

[Schmidty]

Man. This game is overwhelming me. BK was right.

I just haven't been able to sit around at the computer during the day, and that was especially true since I didn't work last night, and got a full night of blessed sleep.

I will try to get caught up, but I have an upper endoscopy (believe it or not) in an hour and a half. Once the drugged up effect is off, I'll see what's going on. In the meantime - STOP POSTING SO DAMNED MUCH. It makes it hard to follow. :(

[PackerFanatic]

I think lynch deadline is still tonight...the night 4's action would be due Monday morning.

[oliegirl]

I can't really argue with the stuff in your post here about me -- I'm pretty scatter-brained, and it's usually the fact that I pop in a lot and look back at stuff that helps me recover. The reduced time probably isn't as big of a deal as the stress going along with it, that's making me more scatter-brained. And you're probably right about my role being expendable for the moment, but I think the same can be said about olie -- with no HQ, she can't do her thang, either.

Is there something in what I said about olie that makes it less convincing? Keep in mind, it only started as me trying to explain to you why what I did was different than what she did, not to make a case for her being a wolf. There are some good reasons for me to trust her, so it's not like I have blinders on here. She was with me guarding the HQ last night, and she was on the ball about making sure we repair the HQ soon for the phasers. On the other hand, there are problems with that, because there was no attack on the HQ last night, and because if she's a wolf and in control of the phasers, then letting her get the phasers back helps the wolves.

Wrong. I still have the ability to protect or spy each night.

[oliegirl]

Then why didn't you just say that, instead of saying that by voting with the village, you're proving that you're not spawn?

I did. I said last night that my reason for voting no lynch was b/c I wasn't sure about following hoops - and that I'd changed my mind. And I know you read it b/c you replied and said something very similar - like "that is all you had to say" or something like that.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[oliegirl]

I can't really argue with the stuff in your post here about me -- I'm pretty scatter-brained, and it's usually the fact that I pop in a lot and look back at stuff that helps me recover. The reduced time probably isn't as big of a deal as the stress going along with it, that's making me more scatter-brained. And you're probably right about my role being expendable for the moment, but I think the same can be said about olie -- with no HQ, she can't do her thang, either.

Is there something in what I said about olie that makes it less convincing? Keep in mind, it only started as me trying to explain to you why what I did was different than what she did, not to make a case for her being a wolf. There are some good reasons for me to trust her, so it's not like I have blinders on here. She was with me guarding the HQ last night, and she was on the ball about making sure we repair the HQ soon for the phasers. On the other hand, there are problems with that, because there was no attack on the HQ last night, and because if she's a wolf and in control of the phasers, then letting her get the phasers back helps the wolves.

So anyone who thinks that it's important to repair the Security HQ so we can have weapons, might be a wolf? That is a large group of people there Pass...you are admitting you have a couple of good reasons to trust me, but that you only have one very weak reason not to, yet you still have your vote on me.

[Passacaglia]

I did. I said last night that my reason for voting no lynch was b/c I wasn't sure about following hoops - and that I'd changed my mind. And I know you read it b/c you replied and said something very similar - like "that is all you had to say" or something like that.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

What I mean is, why didn't you say it when you voted for Telle, instead of this:

I am not sure that Hoops spying on her and seeing her doing nothing constitutes evidence that she is spawn. But I'm not a spawn and to prove it I'll vote with the village. I don't see how me voting no lynch makes me look spawnish, but at this point my vote isn't going to matter one way or the other - Telle has 10 votes on her already.

UNVOTE NO EXECUTION
VOTE TELLE

[Alan T]

I thought I only went on a mission once? Am i forgetting a mission?

If you only went out once and it was by far the worst mission we had then that still doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't be a bad lynch choice today as that mission failed either due to poor RNG or you being a spawn.

***ENGINEERS***

Ok, here is what we should be at, plus anything we occur at the end of the day

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

Clap is following Tyrith. I think we need to focus in this order

Water
Slaves
Cargo
Security
Beds



Whatever order you all repair stuff in, make sure the slavepen is fixed tonight. I can't kill the slaves without it fixed.. we really can't have them around anymore. They are nice people but I think our relationship is at an end.. its me not them... etc

[oliegirl]

Because it was late. Because I was pissed off that you were jumping my shit for basically doing the same damn thing you did - switching my vote. I was pissed that SL was nagging me to get off the computer so I felt rushed to avoid fighting with my husband but also felt the need to stay and defend myself. I honestly thought I'd wake up this morning and have 5 or 6 votes on me.

[Passacaglia]

So anyone who thinks that it's important to repair the Security HQ so we can have weapons, might be a wolf? That is a large group of people there Pass...you are admitting you have a couple of good reasons to trust me, but that you only have one very weak reason not to, yet you still have your vote on me.

Why wouldn't there be a large group of people who I think might be a wolf? What's wrong with that?

[oliegirl]

If you only went out once and it was by far the worst mission we had then that still doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't be a bad lynch choice today as that mission failed either due to poor RNG or you being a spawn.



Whatever order you all repair stuff in, make sure the slavepen is fixed tonight. I can't kill the slaves without it fixed.. we really can't have them around anymore. They are nice people but I think our relationship is at an end.. its me not them... etc

So basically, you love them but are not IN love with them? And you need to focus on your career...right????

LOL

[jeheinz72]

I can't really argue with the stuff in your post here about me -- I'm pretty scatter-brained, and it's usually the fact that I pop in a lot and look back at stuff that helps me recover. The reduced time probably isn't as big of a deal as the stress going along with it, that's making me more scatter-brained. And you're probably right about my role being expendable for the moment, but I think the same can be said about olie -- with no HQ, she can't do her thang, either.

Is there something in what I said about olie that makes it less convincing? Keep in mind, it only started as me trying to explain to you why what I did was different than what she did, not to make a case for her being a wolf. There are some good reasons for me to trust her, so it's not like I have blinders on here. She was with me guarding the HQ last night, and she was on the ball about making sure we repair the HQ soon for the phasers. On the other hand, there are problems with that, because there was no attack on the HQ last night, and because if she's a wolf and in control of the phasers, then letting her get the phasers back helps the wolves.

Yeah, I get the real life stuff, like I said, I'm factoring that in to your aberrational style of play

As far as what you said about olie and what you did, no, I still don't see the difference.

You said (too lazy to post dig) that you thought she was just voting Telle in an effort to buy trust and vote with the village. You quoted the post earlier about "I'll vote Telle to get her lynched" (paraphrase). Those are similar in my mind, only you actually seemed to want to steer the conversation onto someone else where as I didn't get the vibe from olie that she wanted to necessarily argue for an alternative, but that she just didn't agree (initially).

It's one thing to vote against the village. It's another to argue against the village (and vote). Granted, you both in the end switched back, but by then it was all meaningless (around Sal's vote) so far as I can tell.

[Passacaglia]

Because it was late. Because I was pissed off that you were jumping my shit for basically doing the same damn thing you did - switching my vote. I was pissed that SL was nagging me to get off the computer so I felt rushed to avoid fighting with my husband but also felt the need to stay and defend myself. I honestly thought I'd wake up this morning and have 5 or 6 votes on me.

but, all I'd said to you before that post was "what about hoops spying on her?" -- is that what you meant by me "jumping your shit"?

[oliegirl]

Why wouldn't there be a large group of people who I think might be a wolf? What's wrong with that?

Because somewhere in that large group of people are the wolves, people who deserve the vote a whole lot more than I do. Like the 3 people I named for starters. I'm just saying your logic in putting a vote on me doesn't make sense when you are admitting there is only one reason to doubt me and that reason applies to a lot of people.

[jeheinz72]

Whatever order you all repair stuff in, make sure the slavepen is fixed tonight. I can't kill the slaves without it fixed.. we really can't have them around anymore. They are nice people but I think our relationship is at an end.. its me not them... etc


Agreed. I personally think Tyrith (and ergo clap) should go there to wrap that up.

[oliegirl]

but, all I'd said to you before that post was "what about hoops spying on her?" -- is that what you meant by me "jumping your shit"?

You had said something else that had rubbed me the wrong way - don't remember what it is without going back and looking - and I was irritated that you were hounding me for doing the same thing you had done...change your vote.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I get the real life stuff, like I said, I'm factoring that in to your aberrational style of play

As far as what you said about olie and what you did, no, I still don't see the difference.

You said (too lazy to post dig) that you thought she was just voting Telle in an effort to buy trust and vote with the village. You quoted the post earlier about "I'll vote Telle to get her lynched" (paraphrase). Those are similar in my mind, only you actually seemed to want to steer the conversation onto someone else where as I didn't get the vibe from olie that she wanted to necessarily argue for an alternative, but that she just didn't agree (initially).

It's one thing to vote against the village. It's another to argue against the village (and vote). Granted, you both in the end switched back, but by then it was all meaningless (around Sal's vote) so far as I can tell.

You don't have to factor it in -- if it affects the game, it does. It's not like I need some kind of pass for it.

You don't have to dig up the posts if you don't want to, but I don't think you'll find that I had a serious intent to get Alan lynched. If I were trying to get people to follow me in an attempt to save Telle, why would I choose Alan? My stated intent was to make sure Telle got lynched. It seemed to me like olie had the opposite intent, and only changed her mind when pressed.

[jeheinz72]

No offense really meant to people, but I'm tired of the "I have eleventy hundred pages to read and I was gone 12 minutes!" or people telling me (and others) to stop posting or post less.

It ain't gonna happen. I'll post when I want to post and at the frequency I deem necessary. Sorry. Thems the breaks.

This is Werewolf, not Tiddlywinks, and Spawn at that, you knew and were warned about what you signed up for.

I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone on the matter, but I want to put that out there.

I do genuinely like and respect each of you, but reading that is tiring.

You can keep posting it if it makes you happy, but I, just so you know, am whole-heartedly ignoring it (granted I'm gone till Tuesday anyways, so who cares, but still).

[Passacaglia]

Because somewhere in that large group of people are the wolves, people who deserve the vote a whole lot more than I do. Like the 3 people I named for starters. I'm just saying your logic in putting a vote on me doesn't make sense when you are admitting there is only one reason to doubt me and that reason applies to a lot of people.

I never did that. I said that one reason I had to TRUST you wasn't that strong.

[Danny]

I'm and catching up now.

[Passacaglia]

You had said something else that had rubbed me the wrong way - don't remember what it is without going back and looking - and I was irritated that you were hounding me for doing the same thing you had done...change your vote.

Could be. A lot of people accuse me of questioning them for doing the same thing I did. Usually I just want to know what their reasons were, because I suspect they're different from mine, and I find that I get a lot out of their reaction by asking about it.

[Alan T]

No offense really meant to people, but I'm tired of the "I have eleventy hundred pages to read and I was gone 12 minutes!" or people telling me (and others) to stop posting or post less.

It ain't gonna happen. I'll post when I want to post and at the frequency I deem necessary. Sorry. Thems the breaks.

This is Werewolf, not Tiddlywinks, and Spawn at that, you knew and were warned about what you signed up for.

I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone on the matter, but I want to put that out there.

I do genuinely like and respect each of you, but reading that is tiring.

You can keep posting it if it makes you happy, but I, just so you know, am whole-heartedly ignoring it (granted I'm gone till Tuesday anyways, so who cares, but still).

I would like to take this chance to remind everyone that a very simple/small game of WW is starting up this weekend. For those whom have joined the dead, or those who find this intimidating, I can almost guarantee that it won't match this thread's post per hour rate!

/end advertisement :)

[PackerFanatic]

Phazers with a z. I like it.

Let's research!

No offense really meant to people, but I'm tired of the "I have eleventy hundred pages to read and I was gone 12 minutes!" or people telling me (and others) to stop posting or post less.

It ain't gonna happen. I'll post when I want to post and at the frequency I deem necessary. Sorry. Thems the breaks.

This is Werewolf, not Tiddlywinks, and Spawn at that, you knew and were warned about what you signed up for.

I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone on the matter, but I want to put that out there.

I do genuinely like and respect each of you, but reading that is tiring.

You can keep posting it if it makes you happy, but I, just so you know, am whole-heartedly ignoring it (granted I'm gone till Tuesday anyways, so who cares, but still).

How cool would this be if it WERE Tiddlywinks though?

Anyone else think Tiddlywinks is a sweet word?

[jeheinz72]

I really dont know how to vote here. Marc Vaughn lying about being an empath? Everybody following hoops blindly to hang Telle?

I think I am giong to wait till BK comes back with Chubby's statement to vote

Knowing now that MV is not Spawn, this post does stick out to me, in re-reading.

[The Jackal]

And I hope he was the one who made the first all-in.

The all-ins came after the flop when I had already made the straight, then made the flush on the turn. And yes, I was in the chip lead at that point.

[PackerFanatic]

...no idea why that was multi-quoted, must have accidentally hit that earlier.

[oliegirl]

Could be. A lot of people accuse me of questioning them for doing the same thing I did. Usually I just want to know what their reasons were, because I suspect they're different from mine, and I find that I get a lot out of their reaction by asking about it.

OK - so at the end of all this, do you at least admit that there are much better candidates out there besides me? We can continue to argue, or we can work together and go through posts to try to find a candidate we agree on and try to catch a bad guy.

[Passacaglia]

...no idea why that was multi-quoted, must have accidentally hit that earlier.

Don't let olie find out!

[jeheinz72]

How cool would this be if it WERE Tiddlywinks though?

Anyone else think Tiddlywinks is a sweet word?

Dude that would be phenomenal

Werewolf LXXX: Tiddlywinks of Horror

I may have my new GM idea.

[jeheinz72]

The all-ins came after the flop when I had already made the straight, then made the flush on the turn. And yes, I was in the chip lead at that point.

Carry on, well done.

[Danny]

I've been keeping my eye on the Danny and Purdue Brad situation regarding their claims after mine from a few days before...

I got complete information on what my secret role was last night finally in PM... I'm interested in hearing if the same is true for Danny and PB.

I got mine two nights ago. First night it said you can feel the spawn. Second night it said I am now convinced I am spawn aware. Last night revealed no new information, but there wouldn't be any unless I felt a spawn which I did not.

[Passacaglia]

OK - so at the end of all this, do you at least admit that there are much better candidates out there besides me? We can continue to argue, or we can work together and go through posts to try to find a candidate we agree on and try to catch a bad guy.

If I really thought that, I wouldn't have voted for you. I'm willing to listen to arguments for other people, though.

[Passacaglia]

Dude that would be phenomenal

Werewolf LXXX: Tiddlywinks of Horror

I may have my new GM idea.

Hey, does tiddlywinks count as a board game? That's MY territory!

[PackerFanatic]

Dude that would be phenomenal

Werewolf LXXX: Tiddlywinks of Horror

I may have my new GM idea.

Can I pre-emptively join? That sounds awesome.

[The Jackal]

Got a basketball game coming up - did anyone get hurt on away missions today?

[Alan T]

I said once in space I'd start lynching people as there won't be any more conversions after whatever spawnlings that currently are planted turn into spawn..

I may or may not be back more this afternoon, but like I said earlier, I'd rather us get a chance to scan Saldana before we lynch him (maybe I am just feeling guilty from the last game and finally I'm getting soft)...

So either Passacaglia because of heebie jeebies or LSG because of poor results... I said I am trying to not run my game this time based on gut feelings so guess I'll vote LSG as she had the worst mission, her reaction yesterday during the earlier stages of the Telle lynch wern't very good based on the final result and her role isn't necessarily vital for this ship surviving right now

Vote Lonestargirl

[jeheinz72]

Since I have been opposed no lynch since the get go and since it looks like we are close to lynching somebody I am all about it!

vote telle

oh and for what its worth I would love to vote bulletsponge instead, but like Mrs. Schmidty said i doubt we are gong to get a run on him with an hour to deadline

Here is LSG"s vote, coming when it was already 8-1 Telle. It's a back-breaker vote for Telle, but it came in a way, after 8 was reached and the deal was about sealed.

The top post didn't sit right with Pass either.

Hrm.

[path12]

I did. I said last night that my reason for voting no lynch was b/c I wasn't sure about following hoops - and that I'd changed my mind. And I know you read it b/c you replied and said something very similar - like "that is all you had to say" or something like that.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I think there's at least a 35% chance that Olie could kick my ass. Just thought I'd share.

[Passacaglia]

FYI: I'm leaving in an hour, and won't be back until after deadline. So if those planning on voting for me would do me the courtesy of doing it now, that would help me (and the village) a lot. Thanks!

[Danny]

Frankly, Danny not waiting is suspicious, IMO. I don't see why he put that order in (not that I see why the first 3 people did, but I at least posted the wait idea after they already had)

Scanning Danny should be creeping up on the priority list of the doc's.

I have about five minutes to catch up in the morning before work. I saw all the other engineers working on the water plant, so I sent in my order real quick so you guys didn't have to wait until I got home. I then read your message and sent a request to BK to cancel, but I guess it was too late. Please do scan me.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote Passacaglia

I've got my eye on you. I personally see a differentiation between your case and Olie's, but it's not enough in the end...yet.

[jeheinz72]

I have about five minutes to catch up in the morning before work. I saw all the other engineers working on the water plant, so I sent in my order real quick so you guys didn't have to wait until I got home. I then read your message and sent a request to BK to cancel, but I guess it was too late. Please do scan me.

Yeah, I've decided to drop that line of thinking (though I bet you're still catching up and just getting to that post anyhow)

[Passacaglia]

Here is LSG"s vote, coming when it was already 8-1 Telle. It's a back-breaker vote for Telle, but it came in a way, after 8 was reached and the deal was about sealed.

The top post didn't sit right with Pass either.

Hrm.

That's true, it didn't -- I thought about saying that Alan had a good "heebie-jeebie" reason to vote LSG, too. Anyway, I just thought it was strange that she voted for Telle after speaking out against voting for her earlier.

[path12]

No offense really meant to people, but I'm tired of the "I have eleventy hundred pages to read and I was gone 12 minutes!" or people telling me (and others) to stop posting or post less.

It ain't gonna happen. I'll post when I want to post and at the frequency I deem necessary. Sorry. Thems the breaks.

This is Werewolf, not Tiddlywinks, and Spawn at that, you knew and were warned about what you signed up for.

I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone on the matter, but I want to put that out there.

I do genuinely like and respect each of you, but reading that is tiring.

You can keep posting it if it makes you happy, but I, just so you know, am whole-heartedly ignoring it (granted I'm gone till Tuesday anyways, so who cares, but still).

It doesn't bother me. This is an awesome ruleset but as someone said earlier they didn't realize the "time intensive" aspect is what it is in such a game. I'd be really frustrated if I couldn't keep up and felt like I was scanning multiple pages -- especially when there's so much cool stuff to do.

I do think it's going to quiet down post-wise now that we're off the planet though. I think we start playing straight WW now.....so that means only 30 pages instead of 60. :D

[Passacaglia]

Unvote Passacaglia

I've got my eye on you. I personally see a differentiation between your case and Olie's, but it's not enough in the end...yet.

What made you change your mind?

[Danny]

All of your "misquotes" and mis-references remind me of mccollins' slip up last game where he mentioned PM's and then had to backtrack his way out of it...of course he ended up being a wolf in that game, and I was lynched as a villager within a day of jumping on his mistake...you going to try to repeat history???

Actually, while Mccollins was a wolf, he really did make an innocent mistake in regards to that. He was referring to telle who he never sent a PM too because she was not a wolf.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, so that's my look into LSG. She went out on Missions on Day 2 and 4. So she's a flat 25% chance at Spawn, disregarding conversion on-ship (15% + 10%)

Now let's look at Sal. He's got the starting 15% plus 3 missions for a total of 45% at being Spawnling and 35% at being Spawn (at this point)

Mission 1 - 16 crys
Mission 2 - no mission (slave roundup)
Mission 3 - 33 Crys
Mission 4 - ~20 crys

So the real key is Mission 3. He goes out, with no scientist, with just slaves and at a *crucial* juncture when we needed lots of Crys and he could've faked it here and blamed it on the slaves. Instead he gets our biggest haul.

I think I much prefer a scan of Saldana tomorrow than I do to his lynching today.

[jeheinz72]

What made you change your mind?

Part that it's a big vote. It's WW-playin time. Part that it's a close call on you vs Olie. Part that even if I felt stronger I wouldn't be around to make a real case about you. It's enough to not tackle it today.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah this all adds up to

Vote LoneStarGirl

25% Spawn at this moment, 35% Spawn after today. THat's only 10% better than Saldana's chances. I think he's easily made that difference up in performance on missions and in general behavior, especially last night.

[Passacaglia]

Ok, so that's my look into LSG. She went out on Missions on Day 2 and 4. So she's a flat 25% chance at Spawn, disregarding conversion on-ship (15% + 10%)

Now let's look at Sal. He's got the starting 15% plus 3 missions for a total of 45% at being Spawnling and 35% at being Spawn (at this point)

Mission 1 - 16 crys
Mission 2 - no mission (slave roundup)
Mission 3 - 33 Crys
Mission 4 - ~20 crys

So the real key is Mission 3. He goes out, with no scientist, with just slaves and at a *crucial* juncture when we needed lots of Crys and he could've faked it here and blamed it on the slaves. Instead he gets our biggest haul.

I think I much prefer a scan of Saldana tomorrow than I do to his lynching today.

If it's three missions, wouldn't you say his chance of NOT being spawn is 0.85* 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 = 0.62? I'm not sure where the 15% comes from, though -- is that 3 divided by the number of players?

[Danny]

If you only went out once and it was by far the worst mission we had then that still doesn't change the fact that you wouldn't be a bad lynch choice today as that mission failed either due to poor RNG or you being a spawn.



Whatever order you all repair stuff in, make sure the slavepen is fixed tonight. I can't kill the slaves without it fixed.. we really can't have them around anymore. They are nice people but I think our relationship is at an end.. its me not them... etc

I agree, let's get the pens fixed and the slaves dead. I will actually be around, so I will wait on my orders until I know for sure what those who will not be around to change will be fixing.

[Danny]

Yeah, I've decided to drop that line of thinking (though I bet you're still catching up and just getting to that post anyhow)

Yeah, I don't worry about it too much because I feel pretty good about you since we've worked together three times and you haven't been revealed as a spawn.

I do have a question for BK though. BK, I noticed there is a spawn ability to block someone's passive ability. Would I get a message if this happened to me?

[jeheinz72]

If it's three missions, wouldn't you say his chance of NOT being spawn is 0.85* 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.9 = 0.62? I'm not sure where the 15% comes from, though -- is that 3 divided by the number of players?

Yeah, I was just using the crude chances

15% to start (worst case, ahem, 3 starting spawn and 20 people who aren't me, Alan (cleared) and KWhit (cleared).

10% just since it's the base amount.

Realistically when comparing one person's chances to another, the difference in the methods is minimal.

Yours results in a 38% Spawn chance for Sal and 31ish% for LSG. Mine is 45% for Sal and 35% for LSG. The ratio there isn't all that dissimilar (1.23:1 and 1.29:1), or at least not enough so that it's worth the multiplication.

[jeheinz72]

I agree, let's get the pens fixed and the slaves dead. I will actually be around, so I will wait on my orders until I know for sure what those who will not be around to change will be fixing.

I made a post to this effect you should look at (1-2 pages back)

[Danny]

I guess I skimmed over it, I'll look for it

[saldana]

Got a basketball game coming up - did anyone get hurt on away missions today?

no..i was the only person that went out

[Danny]

***ENGINEERS***

Ok, here is what we should be at, plus anything we occur at the end of the day

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

Clap is following Tyrith. I think we need to focus in this order

Water
Slaves
Cargo
Security
Beds

I'm putting an order in tonight to work on the water plant. I'll let you guys decide if you need to back me up on account of worrying if I fake (which would be a bad spawn move, I"ll add) or more likely, failure due to exhaustion. But I'll let you all figure that out (I'd presume Danny or PB would work with me as well).

Tyrith and Clap are working together, I'd recommend on the Slaves to get that done. Then whoever is left can work on the hold.


I have to put my actions in for day and night 5 now, so I'll be following around Tyrith as I now realize that Clap should be back online by then so it won't be a double-follow situation as I had worried. So keep that in mind Tyrith.

This one??

[jeheinz72]

This one??

Yes, my action is in for the Water Plant repair. I'll let you guys decide if you feel you need to double me up for lack of trust or exhaustion issues.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I was just using the crude chances

15% to start (worst case, ahem, 3 starting spawn and 20 people who aren't me, Alan (cleared) and KWhit (cleared).

10% just since it's the base amount.

Realistically when comparing one person's chances to another, the difference in the methods is minimal.

Yours results in a 38% Spawn chance for Sal and 31ish% for LSG. Mine is 45% for Sal and 35% for LSG. The ratio there isn't all that dissimilar (1.23:1 and 1.29:1), or at least not enough so that it's worth the multiplication.

That's cool. Funny thing is, I don't take that much stock in the numbers game -- I mean, anyone looking at them agree who has the higher chance of being spawn based on the data -- the rest is just nit-picking.

[Passacaglia]

Whoo! Our offer was accepted! Now we just have to hope we made the right decision to buy it, and won't feel like we paid too much!

[PackerFanatic]

Whoo! Our offer was accepted! Now we just have to hope we made the right decision to buy it, and won't feel like we paid too much!

Bought a house?

[jeheinz72]

That's cool. Funny thing is, I don't take that much stock in the numbers game -- I mean, anyone looking at them agree who has the higher chance of being spawn based on the data -- the rest is just nit-picking.

Yeah, exactly, hence I just go with the easy math instead of breaking out the rest.


Congrats on the house man, as a resident of the Bay Area, I'm highly jealous of anyone who can buy one.

[Passacaglia]

Bought a house?

Yep. First time, and we're nervous as hell about it. It's weird, because people do it all the time, so it must not be THAT big of a deal, but it still is.

[Alan T]

List of people whom I assume didn't -start- the game as any spawn (with small chance of spawn unaware):

Captain - Alan T
First Officer - KWhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy
Trainer - mccollins
Doctor - path 12
Galley Master - Schmidty
Marc Vaughn

List of people we don't have a read on other than actions and posts:

Ensign - Telle
Chief Engineer - Tyrith
PurdueBrad
Danny
JeHeinz72
Medic - The Jackal
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl
Warden - Passacagalia
Slavemaster - Saldana
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty
LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic
Claphamsa
Chubby
bulletsponge


I've already mentioned from the below list that I feel ok about some of the people listed there even though we don't have any great proof or metagaming reasons to believe so yet..

With Telle we don't know if she started a spawn or got infected on an away mission.. I don't recall if the actual spawn role is listed or just lists them as spawn.. I guess we might figure that out later...

One thing to keep in mind is that without various usage of special abilities not all of the spawn know each other's identity.. that was one of my biggest reasons I was pushing no lynch earlier on to get stuff fixed is with the spawns not all knowing each other and the high rate of conversions voting records don't necessarily mean as much this game.. or at least early game...

So someone who is a spawn could have voted Telle very early or confidently without even knowing Telle was a spawn (especially if she was infected off the ship).. Or vice versa, someone might assume since Telle's mission was half-way successful that she wasn't a spawn and voted for her only to find out later she was a fellow spawn and they just didn't know it..

[PackerFanatic]

Yep. First time, and we're nervous as hell about it. It's weird, because people do it all the time, so it must not be THAT big of a deal, but it still is.

I feel ya. My wife and I have had ours for a little over a year and were surprised as hell to even have a shot at one. It is a big deal, but it helps to ask questions and have a ton of support. 'Grats :)

[path12]

Congrats on the house man, as a resident of the Bay Area, I'm highly jealous of anyone who can buy one.

Ditto from Seattle. Two years. Maybe.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, exactly, hence I just go with the easy math instead of breaking out the rest.


Congrats on the house man, as a resident of the Bay Area, I'm highly jealous of anyone who can buy one.

It's been hard. Growing up in West Michigan, I'm used to hearing about much different prices compared to Chicago, so there was a lot of sticker shock. I was hoping to pay a lot less than the listing price, but there was another buyer involved, and in getting our offer accepted, we ended up paying closer to listing price than I expected. But I have to keep telling myself that the place was just listed at a better price in the first place, that it was the place we liked most regardless of price, and that there were a LOT of places we liked less, that cost more money.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, exactly, hence I just go with the easy math instead of breaking out the rest.


Congrats on the house man, as a resident of the Bay Area, I'm highly jealous of anyone who can buy one.

Oh, and if it helps any, it's not a full house -- just a condo.

[Chubby]

Just got home from work so I'm catching up.

I slept, woke up once, then fell back asleep so I healed up and wasn't distrubed (thankfully)

[Passacaglia]

Okay all, I'm audi!

[Chubby]

Lynch bulletsponge

I was surprised he voted MV before I had even explained why and I think now it was to get heat off of telle.


I do have 1 empath scan yet so I'm all ears to suggestions.

[Danny]

Chubby, I would consider using it soon, no one can be converted now and even adding one more person to the CoT before you could potentially be killed would be nice. Plus I'm sure they won't kill you if your empaths are gone.

For specific suggestion I'm not sure yet.

[Chubby]

Chubby, I would consider using it soon, no one can be converted now and even adding one more person to the CoT before you could potentially be killed would be nice. Plus I'm sure they won't kill you if your empaths are gone.

For specific suggestion I'm not sure yet.

Hence why I'm taking suggestions :)

I'd like to use it on someone that most people don't have a read on but that's just personal preference.

bullet is at the top of my suspicious list right now due to his voting.

[Danny]

After the seers cleared each other some people suggested scanning me. I think someone else made a suggestion as well, but I can't remember it. If you decide you want to empath me feel free to come up with any statement you want and I will make it for that purpose.

[Danny]

I'd say it might not be bad idea to do in someone who is under a lot of suspision tonight like LSG or Saldana, but I'm worried that too many people won't be around tonight and ready to change their vote.

[oliegirl]

Hence why I'm taking suggestions :)

I'd like to use it on someone that most people don't have a read on but that's just personal preference.

bullet is at the top of my suspicious list right now due to his voting.

I would suggest either Chubby or possibly LSG, though I have a wolfier read on Chubby.

[Danny]

I don't think he is going to empath himself :)

[Danny]

I wouldn't mind seeing chubby clear someone and then have him scanned tomorrow, that we can clear two people or get a spawn.

[Chubby]

and oliegirl goes up a notch on my radar.

I'd love to be cleared today by a doc scan but I'm cool without one. and no, I'm not going to empath myself ;)

[path12]

Lynch bulletsponge

I was surprised he voted MV before I had even explained why and I think now it was to get heat off of telle.


I do have 1 empath scan yet so I'm all ears to suggestions.

I would suggest either waiting until Monday when there will be more people around, or else to pick someone you would like to find out about one way or another -- but who is not a lynch candidate today. Too many folks are gone for the day to pick someone who is up for vote right now.

[Danny]

What do you think the chances are Chubby gets attacked tonight? Killing someone with the ability to catch a spawn or clear someone seems like a decent idea.

[Chubby]

What do you think the chances are Chubby gets attacked tonight? Killing someone with the ability to catch a spawn or clear someone seems like a decent idea.

I thought I'd get attacked last night while wounded and having one empath left but I guess that would have been obvious. Not sure if I was guarded last night or not.

[LoneStarGirl]

Here is LSG"s vote, coming when it was already 8-1 Telle. It's a back-breaker vote for Telle, but it came in a way, after 8 was reached and the deal was about sealed.

The top post didn't sit right with Pass either.

Hrm.

Exactly... why would i put vote 9 on a fellow wolf? There was potential that somebody would switch off telle and go to a no lynch vote, but with my 9th vote i sealed her fate. Having one bad mission is not a good enough reason to vote for somebody in my opinion.

[Danny]

BK, did you get my question?

[Barkeep49]

BK, did you get my question?
Missed it.

[RendeR]

Yes, my action is in for the Water Plant repair. I'll let you guys decide if you feel you need to double me up for lack of trust or exhaustion issues.


Did you miss or simply ignore my commentary on what needs repaired first?

Please change your order to work on the following repairs in this order:

Slave pens
Security HQ
Cargo hold
Water Plant.

if you don't agree I would like to hear a good reasoning. I already posted mine. I'll order a change if need be. I only have 1ap but I will use it ;)

[RendeR]

ENGINEERS PLEASE NOTE MY PREVIOUS POST

[Danny]

Missed it.

If a spawn uses the ability to block a person's night ability, is that person aware their ability is being blocked?

[RendeR]

BK: When officer's "give orders" is that limited to 1 person? Or could I for example say "Chief Engineer! Take your men and complete repairs on the following items...."?

[oliegirl]

I don't think he is going to empath himself :)

LOL, I am sorry! That is what I get for multi-tasking...I was paying bills, working, and trying to post in ww at the same time. Big mistake. I meant LSG or MV...I don't think he was empathed yesterday, or was he? That all got very confusing.

Anyway, I'm working on catching up now...

[Alan T]

Did you miss or simply ignore my commentary on what needs repaired first?

Please change your order to work on the following repairs in this order:

Slave pens
Security HQ
Cargo hold
Water Plant.

if you don't agree I would like to hear a good reasoning. I already posted mine. I'll order a change if need be. I only have 1ap but I will use it ;)

I agree that slave pens needs to be repaired first, but either cargo hold or water plant second or we don't have water for tommorrow. Now with no more conversions I'm not as worried about the brig as before, so for me water > phasers+brig.. The main thing is both should be repairable by tommorrow so the most important thing is water for in the morning and then phasers and brig for later tommororw...

So I think pens -> Water plant, and then you can do HQ and hold.

BK: When officer's "give orders" is that limited to 1 person? Or could I for example say "Chief Engineer! Take your men and complete repairs on the following items...."?


Give orders is limited to one person and one action. You can order Tyrith to work on something, but not order him and his staff to work on something.

[Alan T]

Dola, and I don't believe you can order for night actions either.

[Alan T]

LOL, I am sorry! That is what I get for multi-tasking...I was paying bills, working, and trying to post in ww at the same time. Big mistake. I meant LSG or MV...I don't think he was empathed yesterday, or was he? That all got very confusing.

Anyway, I'm working on catching up now...

Marc Vaughn as both been empathed supposedly by Chubby and now scanned today by Path whom I do feel trust in... so Marc Vaughn is NOT a good empath choice..

At this point Chubby probably should just empath someone on monday.. since any spawnlings that might have been planted last night (or today for Saldana's mission) won't turn into a spawn until monday anyways, but that will be the last of conversions... and I'm not sure that Chubby as an empath with only one scan left is as much of a night target as the two doctors, or myself as captain.

[Alan T]

I disagree with the focus on the water generators, we have enough water for tomorrow morning, that gives us tonight, tomorrow morning and tomorrow night, the following morning to repair the water system before anyone is in danger of dying from dehydration. 3 full cycles of repair time. We need to get the pens, the HQ and the cargo hold repaired as soon as possible.

Personally I think the pens and the HQ should go first, as the worst case scenario is the slaves rioting yet again and causing MORE damage. The HQ gives us a safe haven WITH BEDS, and access to all the security abilities.

I'm worried that we're focusing on the water at the detriment of the entire mission. Even if some people die due to dehydration we still can finish the mission, the the slaves riot or the spawn damage the cargo hold more or anything more due to a lack of phasers and security ability then we're screwed.


Render I went back to find what your point was for repair orders since I think I missed it or skimmed over it (I'm out of town now).

The issue is we have zero water for the morning right now (Cargo hold is broken so we can't get water out of it)... and fixing the security HQ tonight doesn't give us phasers in the morning.. we won't get them until at the end of tommorrow anyways at this point..

So fixing the security HQ tonight doesn't really buy us anything.. Fixing the water plant or Cargo hold tonight gives us water for the morning (which we don't have otherwise).. I think Security HQ is a high priority to be fixed tommororw though for the brig and the phasers, I agree. Fixing it during the day tommorrow will make both available for tommorrow night.

[Alan T]

And for my attempt at a quin-dola..

Also Render, I tossed out a suggestion earlier.. up to you to take it though if you want.. For your action you might want to look at moving someone you trust to be an additional warden.. especially if Pass is getting votes from people..

[Alan T]

Ok sex-dola...

Or if not a warden, could look at moving a security person to a more flexible security officer who can spy and protect too. Up to you though, I'll let you figure out what you feel is best for that since I feel you are trusted this game... I'm just saying don't waste your AP to order someone to fix something.. if need be I have several AP that could be used as such if someone has a reason I should just say so.. I can't however move people's positions (Although I could order you to do so as a waste of both mine and your AP)... so I guess I'm saying your AP is pretty valuable used elsewhere In my opinion

[Barkeep49]

If a spawn uses the ability to block a person's night ability, is that person aware their ability is being blocked?
Maybe.

[Barkeep49]

BK: When officer's "give orders" is that limited to 1 person? Or could I for example say "Chief Engineer! Take your men and complete repairs on the following items...."?
It is limited to 1 single step action that a person may complete. So yesterday when Alan ordered Render to replace Hoops in the brig it actually was two separate orders and thus two AP (take out hoops, put in Render).

[Danny]

Maybe.

Oh, well at least I know now :p

[RendeR]

When did we lose the 23 water we had? perhaps I missed that but I thought we had one days worth right now *which we drink in the mornings, so we have tomorrow covered?*

If I missed it I apologize, Even so we only become dehydrated tomorrow and we can repair the water pumps during the day tomorrow and have more than enough water for the following morning.

The other areas are still more important.

Your call Cap'.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Danny goes to the water plant to start repairing it. He later seems to regret this, but the repairs are already under way so he continues his work there.

I'm home and playing catch up - only 6 pages this time! :)

I quoted this because it seems there's always something different about the posts regarding him - what is it he regretted exactly? Going to work on the water plant? The fact that others were already there? Am I reading too much into it?

[Alan T]

When did we lose the 23 water we had? perhaps I missed that but I thought we had one days worth right now *which we drink in the mornings, so we have tomorrow covered?*

If I missed it I apologize, Even so we only become dehydrated tomorrow and we can repair the water pumps during the day tomorrow and have more than enough water for the following morning.

The other areas are still more important.

Your call Cap'.


We can't get the 23 water for tommorrow out of the hold if it is damaged. It has to be repaired for us to be able to drink any of it.

[Alan T]

I'm home and playing catch up - only 6 pages this time! :)

I quoted this because it seems there's always something different about the posts regarding him - what is it he regretted exactly? Going to work on the water plant? The fact that others were already there? Am I reading too much into it?


He had asked to cancel his order after conversation in the thread but this was BK's way of saying once an order is in you can't undo it.

[Barkeep49]

I'm home and playing catch up - only 6 pages this time! :)

I quoted this because it seems there's always something different about the posts regarding him - what is it he regretted exactly? Going to work on the water plant? The fact that others were already there? Am I reading too much into it?
He had sent in another message asking to cancel that, but day orders are considered implemented immediately and so he couldn't change his order. Happened yesterday to someone too, though I forget who.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

So, here is an updated trust list, in rough order:
Trust (with reason): self, Alan, KWhit, RendeR, Path, Schmidty
Semi-trust (by gut): Tyrith, Marc Vaughn
Neutral, but willing to work upwards: Danny, Chubby
Semi-distrust (by virtue of 3-4 away missions): Saldana
Distrust (by gut): Heinz
Distrust (by bad results): LSG

I should be in the COT - no reason for me to not be listed. :)

[Alan T]

We can't get the 23 water for tommorrow out of the hold if it is damaged. It has to be repaired for us to be able to drink any of it.

Render, what my point was:

If we fix slave pens + HQ tonight and water plant tommorrow:

We still don't have the brig or phasers tonight, tommorrow we have no water and are dehydrated. We will have the brig and phasers available tommorrow night however and water the next day.


If we fix slave pens + water plant tonight and HQ tommorrow:

We don't have brig or phasers tonight still just like last scenerio, but tommorrow we do have water and no one is dehdrated, plus we will have the brig and phasers available for tommorrow night..

So my point is we actually don't gain anything fixing the security HQ tonight if we can fix it tommorrow.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I IMMEDIATELY ORDER LIFT OFF

YAY!! :)

*they better not lose my luggage this time or I'll be pissed!

[RendeR]

Ahh I think I misca;cu;ated anyway, me and simple math == fail

We need 7 repairs for the HW, Pens and Cargo, not 6 as I was tihkning.

I'll but out and leave it to you then. My thinking was entirely along the lines that we could have those three items totally done.

The Pens get priority in my mind though, those 2 points MUST be repaired as another slave riot all but destroys this mission entirely. I just don't want to risk that, no matter how improbable anyone thinks a slave riot twice in one mission might be.

[Alan T]

Ahh I think I misca;cu;ated anyway, me and simple math == fail

We need 7 repairs for the HW, Pens and Cargo, not 6 as I was tihkning.

I'll but out and leave it to you then. My thinking was entirely along the lines that we could have those three items totally done.

The Pens get priority in my mind though, those 2 points MUST be repaired as another slave riot all but destroys this mission entirely. I just don't want to risk that, no matter how improbable anyone thinks a slave riot twice in one mission might be.


Yeah, I can agree with that. getting the slave pens fixed tonight is pretty darn important

[Mrs. Schmidty]

And I meant I'm cool with making the brig a low priority. We've got more cleared than we can fit in there anyway, so the spawn can attack someone cleared if they want to.

Why would we want them to do that?

[Chubby]

Wouldn't it be in our best interests to have RendeR use his AP each day to make more people doctors?

More docs = more clears = insurance against scanning spawn

[Alan T]

Wouldn't it be in our best interests to have RendeR use his AP each day to make more people doctors?

More docs = more clears = insurance against scanning spawn

Render can't make people into doctors.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Or House. Except that one's a chick.

Hmm 13 is a chick, was 12 also? 12 got cut out early on.

[Chubby]

Render can't make people into doctors.


Assign Personnel Day Only He may change the position of any member of the enlisted crew (so Private to Slave Master, Galley Master to Medic, etc). This goes into effect the next day cycle. There may not be more than 1 Galleymaster or Slave Master1 AP

Am i just reading it wrong?

[Alan T]

Assign Personnel Day Only He may change the position of any member of the enlisted crew (so Private to Slave Master, Galley Master to Medic, etc). This goes into effect the next day cycle. There may not be more than 1 Galleymaster or Slave Master1 AP

Am i just reading it wrong?

Doctor is not an enlisted crew, it is a specialist. Take note in the difference between specialists and enlisted crew positions.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I gave you one against his recommendation - that is what brought on schmidty's temper tantrum.

I need to clarify something here though I really didn't want to get involved with what happened that day. Jay was upset not because of anything to do with the phasers, it was that he was brought under suspicion for not being as vocal on the threads - or being UTR. He thinks that all the vets should know his schedule by now (he works 11pm -7am pst) and he thought it was crap that RL obligations (work, sleep etc) would make him look guilty. He over reacted about it, but it had nothing to do with anything happening in game so to speak, but he thought his integrity was being called into question at the time. He gets about 12 hours of sleep during his work week and catches up on his days off just to give you an idea as to why he can go over the edge a bit at times. Not to mention that's also just part of his charm. :)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

dola
the quote thingy didn't work :(

[Tyrith]

Catching up, got home a lot earlier than I expected, but for now it seems like we're going to have a productive lynch than the mathematical way out.

UNVOTE SALDANA

[Mrs. Schmidty]

***ENGINEERS***

Ok, here is what we should be at, plus anything we occur at the end of the day

Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – 1
Cargo Hold - 2
Security Headquarters 3
Slave Pens – 2
Sleeping Quarters – 23

Clap is following Tyrith. I think we need to focus in this order

Water
Slaves
Cargo
Security
Beds

I'm putting an order in tonight to work on the water plant. I'll let you guys decide if you need to back me up on account of worrying if I fake (which would be a bad spawn move, I"ll add) or more likely, failure due to exhaustion. But I'll let you all figure that out (I'd presume Danny or PB would work with me as well).

Tyrith and Clap are working together, I'd recommend on the Slaves to get that done. Then whoever is left can work on the hold.


I have to put my actions in for day and night 5 now, so I'll be following around Tyrith as I now realize that Clap should be back online by then so it won't be a double-follow situation as I had worried. So keep that in mind Tyrith.


Again posting as I go (I apologize) so I don't know if this already happened or got changed, but I see the following as the priorities:

Sec HQ (need weaps and brig)
Cargo hold (slow leakage)
Water (we have enough through tomorrow evening I believe we'll only be exhausted day after tomorrow - we have enough for the morning, so really we have a few days there)
Slave Pens
Beds (If Brig is working we at least have 4 beds, plus any still not broken by then)

[Tyrith]

Okay, for Night 4 this is how I see it:

Me, clap, and someone else on the slave pens.
Heinz and someone else on the water.

It's likely going to waste us a couple of repair cycles, but ultimately it gets us what we want FOR SURE unless we put two wolves together who both fake -- then we just kill them.

[Tyrith]

BTW, we are missing a TON of votes right now -- I show a total of eight out of 21 and we're an hour and a half from the lynch. I don't recall The Jackal having posted all day, either.

[Passacaglia]

Why would we want them to do that?

(back for a moment, our celebration was postpponed)

It wasn't that we want them to kill one of our cleared folks -- it was that the brig can only hold four people, so there was no way of keeping all the cleared folks safe from spawn. Anyway, that whole argument is moot for a few reasons now.

[saldana]

i was holding off to see where i may have needed to go to save my own butt, but since i have no idea what the vote totals are right now

vote lonestargirl

[Tyrith]

On the lynch --

Priority #1 is getting a lynch, which is going to take seven votes. I will vote for whoever I need to that isn't on our cleared list (besides myself) to get this done.

Order of preference, right now, and this is largely gut -

bulletsponge
Passacagalia
=====
LoneStarGirl
Chubby
saldana

Any of the first four clears up at least one of the messes we've developed. saldana is the backup percentage play.

[saldana]

congrats on the house Pass...doesnt matter a bit that is is a condo...wouldnt matter if it was a clapboard shack...its yours, celebration is absolutely in order.

[Tyrith]

As I see it -

3 - LSG - Alan, heinz, saldana
2 - bulletsponge - Chubby, Mrs. Schmidty
1 - olie - Pass
1 - Pass - olie
1 - saldana - hoops
1 - Chubby - bullet

[Passacaglia]

As I see it -

3 - LSG - Alan, heinz, saldana
2 - bulletsponge - Chubby, Mrs. Schmidty
1 - olie - Pass
1 - Pass - olie
1 - saldana - hoops
1 - Chubby - bullet


Thanks for this. LSG and bullet make good choices, but bullet's vote with Chubby, then for Chubby, really jump out. And since people aren't buying my oliegirl argument (where the hell have you been KWhit??)

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[PackerFanatic]

I am getting a bad vibe from both LSG and bullet, and I don't know if I can, in good heart, vote for my fellow scientist. I will wait a bit to place a vote though. A lot of votes all over the place though, so it clearly is between those two it seems,

[Mrs. Schmidty]

We can't get the 23 water for tommorrow out of the hold if it is damaged. It has to be repaired for us to be able to drink any of it.

I didn't realize that - my bad.

[Tyrith]

I'm going to go through real quick and make sure I didn't miss any votes.

[saldana]

i am ok with bullet on the block today as well...i have been leary of him since the night when he showed up tired and gave the standard "i couldnt find a bed" answer

that and the immediate hop on the Marc Vaughn wagon yesterday put him pretty high on my list of possible spawn.

if it gets close and i need to move, i will

[LoneStarGirl]

I am getting a bad vibe from both LSG and bullet, and I don't know if I can, in good heart, vote for my fellow scientist. I will wait a bit to place a vote though. A lot of votes all over the place though, so it clearly is between those two it seems,

can you explain why you are getting a bad vibe? I dont believe I have played this game any differently than I have played any other games

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[PackerFanatic]

I don't think it has to do with how you have played, just some of the info being thrown out there with the botched missions makes sense to me.

[Tyrith]

This is to keep it even for now -- I WILL switch to ensure a lynch. I really don't care which of them dies.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[LoneStarGirl]

vote bulletsponge

Everybody can see his vote yesterday as soon as Chubby voted for Marc was a little strange... wolfish? not really, but bullet has not been very active in this game so we dont have a lot to go on.

[LoneStarGirl]

This is to keep it even for now -- I WILL switch to ensure a lynch. I really don't care which of them dies.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

That hurts, I would care if you died

[saldana]

after that little flurry, it is 5 to 4 for bullet

[Tyrith]

What can I say, I'm ruthless.

[LoneStarGirl]

after that little flurry, it is 5 to 4 for bullet

I promise I had no idea that Packer was voting for bullet, it took me 5 minutes to decide what to post because I am watching Monk.

[KWhit]

Thanks for this. LSG and bullet make good choices, but bullet's vote with Chubby, then for Chubby, really jump out. And since people aren't buying my oliegirl argument (where the hell have you been KWhit??)


I'm here now. It's my son's 4th birthday today, so we've been out and about - saw WallE and then went out to eat, etc...

Just got caught up and will place a vote on LSG or BS soon.

[KWhit]

How many votes do we need tonight to lynch? 7? 8?

[saldana]

I'm here now. It's my son's 4th birthday today, so we've been out and about - saw WallE and then went out to eat, etc...

Just got caught up and will place a vote on LSG or BS soon.

my daughter turns 4 on monday...you doing the party thing tomorrow too?

[saldana]

How many votes do we need tonight to lynch? 7? 8?
should be 7

[Tyrith]

How many votes do we need tonight to lynch? 7? 8?

8, darn, it's more than 1/3, and for some reason earlier I thought we had 20 people alive and not 21.

[KWhit]

my daughter turns 4 on monday...you doing the party thing tomorrow too?

Yep. We are having a Hot Wheels / Construction Truck party. He loves that stuff right now.

And we bought him way too much stuff. I just can't help myself when I shop for him.

[KWhit]

Still 8 votes needed? Sheesh.

[saldana]

Yep. We are having a Hot Wheels / Construction Truck party. He loves that stuff right now.

And we bought him way too much stuff. I just can't help myself when I shop for him.

we are the same way, except our theme is Care Bears, and all the stuff we bought is Care Bears and Disney Princesses

[Chubby]

Still 8 votes needed? Sheesh.

I believe there's people that have said they'd move their vote to make sure we lynch tonight.

[KWhit]

we are the same way, except our theme is Care Bears, and all the stuff we bought is Care Bears and Disney Princesses

My daughter - 2 - has just started getting into that stuff, but now she's nuts about it. She's constantly telling everyone she's a princess (or ballerina) and spinning around in her dress. It's ridiculously cute.

[RendeR]

VOTE LSG

[RendeR]

VOTE LSG



To bold the vote.

[KWhit]

Vote Lonestargirl

[Chubby]

vote count?

why LSG over bullet?

[Alan T]

Again posting as I go (I apologize) so I don't know if this already happened or got changed, but I see the following as the priorities:

Sec HQ (need weaps and brig)
Cargo hold (slow leakage)
Water (we have enough through tomorrow evening I believe we'll only be exhausted day after tomorrow - we have enough for the morning, so really we have a few days there)
Slave Pens
Beds (If Brig is working we at least have 4 beds, plus any still not broken by then)

I just posted a few posts prior to what security HQ makes no sense to repair tonight, but absolutely makes sense to repair tommorrow. (day cycle I mean, Monday RL)

[Alan T]

vote count?

why LSG over bullet?

To try to say this in a nice way.. Bullet is playing exactly as I have seen bullet play before when he was a good guy or bad guy.. Where his moves just don't really make much sense in a very disorganized way. He may be a spawn, but his voting for Marc yesterday just seems way out there I guess to me.

I guess what i am trying to say is for people who don't play with Bullet often, he makes moves just like Claphamsa seems to do when he gets himself lynched as a villager as day 1.

No one try to spin this as me trying to protect Bullet, I don't vouch for him and I don't necessarily feel he is good. Just the things people are pointing to as "spawnlike" are actually things I always see him do in most games.

I'm also not really trying to encourage people to vote for LSG because I did either, I just personally felt she is the best vote, but as I said earlier I felt there were several people who some kind of case could be made for.. I hope everyone would look for what makes the most sense to them.

[Alan T]

As for vote count, if Saldana's most recent count of 5-4 was correct then I now see it as LSG has 6 to Bullet's 5 with 8 needed for a lynch.

[Alan T]

My daughter - 2 - has just started getting into that stuff, but now she's nuts about it. She's constantly telling everyone she's a princess (or ballerina) and spinning around in her dress. It's ridiculously cute.

My 17 month old daughter recently forced us to buy her a tutu (or however it is spelled) for her to dance around in. I think she got it from Sesame street's little magical character whatever her name is though that wears one.

[Chubby]

well I don't think we can afford another night of no lynch and last night worked out well where I voted as needed to ensure a lynch so...

unvote bulletsponge
Lynch lonestargirl

I will be voting for bullet day 5.

[path12]

Bullet has hardly been around and is just a private. I'd rather go that way, and strictly for that reason. I am suspicious of LSG, but with our trainer gone I'd rather vote this way.

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[saldana]

My 17 month old daughter recently forced us to buy her a tutu (or however it is spelled) for her to dance around in. I think she got it from Sesame street's little magical character whatever her name is though that wears one.

my 20 month old is obsessed with mickey mouse right now...if she sees anything with mickey in the store, she goes ballistic until we let her carry it around the store...then we have to trick her into letting us hold it and hide it really fast so we dont have to buy it.

[saldana]

7-5 LSG

[Alan T]

my 20 month old is obsessed with mickey mouse right now...if she sees anything with mickey in the store, she goes ballistic until we let her carry it around the store...then we have to trick her into letting us hold it and hide it really fast so we dont have to buy it.

We go through that with Dora!

[Chubby]

oh jeebus...

I'd rather lynch bullet but I don't want the spawn to talk their way into a vote of 7-7 or something where no hangs.

[The Jackal]

Vote LSG

She is slightly above BS on my radar. Again sorry for the lack of posting the past two days, haven't seen this group of friends at the same time in almost four years.

[Tyrith]

8-5 LSG, and we still have five people that haven't voted at all *cries*

Singling out the non-contributors: Schmidty, PurdueBrad, Marc Vaughn, Danny, claphasma

[Alan T]

I really wish Marc would be around today not only for the vote but also he's kind of important as a doctor now. I know he's busy with work.. but I hope he takes 5 minutes to check in and do a scan

[Chubby]

8-5 LSG, and we still have five people that haven't voted at all *cries*

Singling out the non-contributors: Schmidty, PurdueBrad, Marc Vaughn, Danny, claphasma

None of whom were in the thread when you posted.

[Tyrith]

I'm not going to lie -- the level of non-voting we've had the last two days, really, really disappoints me.

[RendeR]

I'm fine with either one for the lynch, I voted LSG because bullet is a medic (I asigned him to it) and I feel a medic is more important than a scientist at this point?

[Schmidty]

I'm not going to lie -- the level of non-voting we've had the last two days, really, really disappoints me.

Sorry mom.


Vote Bulletsponge

[path12]

I really wish Marc would be around today not only for the vote but also he's kind of important as a doctor now. I know he's busy with work.. but I hope he takes 5 minutes to check in and do a scan

I seem to recall him saying that today was going to be a problem, but finding a particular post is more work than I'm willing to do with a cocktail in my hand. :)

Though I was hoping he would have showed up to scan me.

If need be, I'll switch my vote. I'll be around the next five minutes.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I believe we're 8-6 LSG

[RendeR]

Why don't I simply order that then path?

[path12]

Schmidty, PurdueBrad, Marc Vaughn, Danny, claphasma


Brad and clap were also clear about not being around today.

[Tyrith]

I believe we're 8-6 LSG

Yes.

[path12]

Why don't I simply order that then path?

If you can then yeah, why not?

[Tyrith]

If someone has AP to order Marc...um...why not?

And, well, in general there have been nine no-show votes in two days; even with 20+ people in the game that's just...weak. Even if certain among them are understandable.

[Alan T]

Render save your order and I can order it. Render use yours to move a security personal

[path12]

Are we going to have one of those deadlines where everyone switches back and forth at once and hopelessly screws up the count?

[path12]

OK, I'll jump first.

UNVOTE BULLETSPONGE
VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[Alan T]

Render I sent mine in already.. but did it as a conditional if you didn't already order it I ordered Marc to do the scan. I still think your AP is far more valuable to move a security personal then to do what I can do just as easily

[KWhit]

Are we going to have one of those deadlines where everyone switches back and forth at once and hopelessly screws up the count?

Don't make me start in on my rant.

:)

[Chubby]

time check

[Barkeep49]

"Doctor Vaughan, my good lad, would you be so kind as to scan path. Much appreciated," says Alan. The two men disappear briefly and then both reappear waiting to see if the crew will kill anyone today.

[path12]

Don't make me start in on my rant.

:)

I love it when you get fired up.

[KWhit]

I love it when you get fired up.

Not gonna get fired up tonight. Got a mellow buzz going and I'm in just too good a mood.

[Barkeep49]

Past Deadline

[KWhit]

"Doctor Vaughan, my good lad, would you be so kind as to scan path. Much appreciated," says Alan. The two men disappear briefly and then both reappear waiting to see if the crew will kill anyone today.

Good job on that.

[RendeR]

Render I sent mine in already.. but did it as a conditional if you didn't already order it I ordered Marc to do the scan. I still think your AP is far more valuable to move a security personal then to do what I can do just as easily


Well there is only bulletsponge to asig to anything anyway, so I assinged him to security. not sure its a wise move since he's under a lot of suspicion though.

Might have been better if we did all this an hour ago instead of trying to do it at 2 min to deadline ;)

[Alan T]

Well there is only bulletsponge to asig to anything anyway, so I assinged him to security. not sure its a wise move since he's under a lot of suspicion though.

Might have been better if we did all this an hour ago instead of trying to do it at 2 min to deadline ;)

To be fair I did ask you at least 4 times through the day to move someone in security or to security :)

When I brought it up earlier I had kind of meant it more along the lines of moving someone like Saldana from being slave boss to a generic security officer so he would have more flexibility though. Maybe something for you to consider tommorrow doing if you're up for it.

[RendeR]

Ok so thanks to trying to find a private that COULD be assigned I missed the deadline to do so. bullet was NOT assigned to security.


We only had 4 privates:

Clap is an engineer now
Marc is a Doc
Chubby is an Ensign

All of those required training and they are no longer available.

bulletsponge is our lone remaining Red shirt.

[Barkeep49]

Once again the cold hand of death approaches one of the crew. This time it is Lonestargirl whose time has expired. The mob, after last night’s victory, descends upon her ruthlessly. And when the crowd is done they step back to examine the carnage and they find

a SPAWN!.

Between lift-off and two consecutive spawn findings the spirts of the crew are considerably lifted.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Damaged 3 cycles to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 3 cycles to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Damaged 2 cycles to repair
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy Exhausted
Ensign – Chubby

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - path12
Doctor - MarcVaughn Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal
Medic - bulletsponge

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhausted
Warden - Passacagalia Exhausted
Galley Master - Schmidty
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhausted

Scientists

LoneStarGirl Exhausted
PackerFanatic Exhausted

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor
Lonestargirl – Spawn

[Alan T]

Ok so thanks to trying to find a private that COULD be assigned I missed the deadline to do so. bullet was NOT assigned to security.


We only had 4 privates:

Clap is an engineer now
Marc is a Doc
Chubby is an Ensign

All of those required training and they are no longer available.

bulletsponge is our lone remaining Red shirt.

I am pretty sure what I mentioned earlier today would work. You can reassign Saldana from Slave master to security crewman, and then he could guard alot more than just empty slave pens.

[KWhit]

OH HELLS YEAH!

[Chubby]

woot another spawny death!

[RendeR]

To be fair I did ask you at least 4 times through the day to move someone in security or to security :)

When I brought it up earlier I had kind of meant it more along the lines of moving someone like Saldana from being slave boss to a generic security officer so he would have more flexibility though. Maybe something for you to consider tommorrow doing if you're up for it.


Dur, ok yeah I need to read better I guess. for some reason I was stuck on only being able to move the privates around to other duties. My bad. I'll shift Sal to security tomorrow as I'm assuming you're going to off the slaves now that they're useless.

[Alan T]

Engineers, I know you already had this on your agenda, but pretty please make sure slave pens are fixed tonight. It looks like extra people can go and work on the Security HQ after all.. but slave pens is priority.

[Alan T]

Dur, ok yeah I need to read better I guess. for some reason I was stuck on only being able to move the privates around to other duties. My bad. I'll shift Sal to security tomorrow as I'm assuming you're going to off the slaves now that they're useless.

Yeah, if the slave pen is repaired tonight and I'm still alive tommorrow then I'll kill off the slaves.. if I die over night I assume kwhit will kill off the slaves tommorrow..

At this point I feel that I did everything as captain to help us win that I could in my role.. so if I die once the slaves are dead, I'll consider it a personal victory.

[Tyrith]

Me and clap on the pens before. Would like it if someone else followed. Guard the water plant, pretty please, someone.

[Chubby]

so no sleeping quarters = everyone exhusted? not going to help in trying to pin down spawn

[saldana]

Engineers, I know you already had this on your agenda, but pretty please make sure slave pens are fixed tonight. It looks like extra people can go and work on the Security HQ after all.. but slave pens is priority.

i will guard it, even though i dont know if it will do any good

[Alan T]

so no sleeping quarters = everyone exhusted? not going to help in trying to pin down spawn


Actually it might help alot..

As spawn don't get exhausted from night attacks normally.. there is only a chance that they will become exhausted..

So if someone turns up rested tommorrow, we'll have to wonder why.

[RendeR]

Am I missing something else? Why was so little repaired today? We had enough engineers to repair the water, the cargo and the slave pens. Why are the slave pens and the cargo hold still damaged?

[Tyrith]

We have a nice secondary group of people we can trust now, too, based of the votes for the last two days. We're in real good shape right now, I feel like.

[Chubby]

Actually it might help alot..

As spawn don't get exhausted from night attacks normally.. there is only a chance that they will become exhausted..

So if someone turns up rested tommorrow, we'll have to wonder why.


I'm assuming it would be wise for those of us that would normally be sleeping to send in stay awake around XXX orders and pick an area to hang out in to try and see something?

[Danny]

I fell asleep and just got up, I'm sorry for not getting a vote in.

[Alan T]

Am I missing something else? Why was so little repaired today? We had enough engineers to repair the water, the cargo and the slave pens. Why are the slave pens and the cargo hold still damaged?


ALmost all of the engineers jumped in to work on the water tank prior to lift off and prior to everything getting damaged.

[Danny]

Wow, great job guys, another one.

[Alan T]

We have a nice secondary group of people we can trust now, too, based of the votes for the last two days. We're in real good shape right now, I feel like.


Keep in mind what I said earlier.. People who were spawnlings at latest become spawn tommorrow.. so still chance on people switching sides..

Second not all spawn know who each other are.. so they in some cases vote just as blindly as we do.

As I mentioned during our earlier debates, I think early voting records are fairly meaningless in this game.. I don't think anyone should put too much emphasis on them.

[RendeR]

Ahh ok, I'm just out of it today for some reason.

Great lynch everyone! Dirty sneaky spawn!

I'll re-read stuff tomorrow/sunday, I've got 4 hours of work time sunday morning that I can really dig back into this.