LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Alan T]

I'll move too, why not.. if you get back Absolute trust, you'll know at least its me. It would take a good 6-7 people to move I think to make olie's lynch not go through.

Unvote oliegirl
Vote jeheinz

[PackerFanatic]

I feel strongly enough about olie that I am not going to switch, and I don't think it matters anyway.

[Schmidty]

Man, this switch really seems fishy.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm just not feeling it. I think it would be silly to switch from pretty much a sure thing, just to open "discussion". We've discussed enough in this freaking game, and people are still dropping left and right.

I urge us to either stay on olie, or to switch to the switchers (no offense danny and Alan).

[saldana]

unovte olie
lynch jeheinz

[saldana]

no way 3 votes is going to do any harm schmidty

[Danny]

Man, this switch really seems fishy.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm just not feeling it. I think it would be silly to switch from pretty much a sure thing, just to open "discussion". We've discussed enough in this freaking game, and people are still dropping left and right.

I urge us to either stay on olie, or to switch to the switchers (no offense danny and Alan).

That makes no sense though, Olie is going to get lynched, we are simply trying to potentially trigger a helpful ability for the village. Alan is good for sure, and I was scanned today as good. I'm also saying I believe Jeheinz to be good and am simply doing what he asked us to do earlier before he left.

[Danny]

I feel strongly enough about olie that I am not going to switch, and I don't think it matters anyway.

Interesting, this may influence my vote tomorrow.

[PackerFanatic]

Well I got on just before deadline and see all this talk about switching - and I just don't see why. The evidence is clear on olie, and maybe I just didn't read deep enough into the jhenize stuff, but that is why I didn't switch.

[Schmidty]

no way 3 votes is going to do any harm schmidty

Then what's the point at all. This is just baffling me.

That's probably why I always make it until the end game.

[Barkeep49]

Another day another Spawn. You expect nothing else when you kill olie. There is no guilt. There is only anxious expectation. In fact one could say today was almost boring. When you kill olie, however, there is a surprise. You find that she is

THE SPAWN QUEEN!

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 22 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 1 person to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T Exhausted
First Officer – Kwhit Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - Passacagalia Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal Exhausted
Medic - bulletsponge Exhausted

Security Staff
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhausted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted

Scientists

PackerFanatic Exhausted

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor
Lonestargirl – Spawn
Marc Vaughn – Survivor
path12 - Survivor
RendeR - Survivor
Chubby - Spawn
Tyrith - Survivor
hoops - Survivor
Mrs. Schmidty - Survivor
oliegirl - Spawn Queen

[Alan T]

Well that is a good result... made even better that I checked with BK, and since there is no sergeant-at-arms, we (Kwhit, Passacaglia and myself) don't have anyone to turn our phasers in to during the morning.. So we'll unfortunately have to keep them the rest of the game for our protection/defense.

[Schmidty]

Very good result, but the moving at the end is.....weird.

I need to think about that. It made no sense at all.

[Alan T]

I'm assuming with no security to protect us, I'm one of the targets since I can't be lynched as is Pass so he can't scan people.. so I'll throw out my trust/distrust list based off of my own thoughts in case my phaser somehow failed to protect me.

I trust absolutely Kwhit.. I also have strong trust in PurdueBrad and by association he has trust in the Jackal... I would be very dissapointed to see any lynch votes thrown at Kwhit or PurdueBrad, and I would think anyone could find a better choice than The Jackal for a vote in the coming days.

I also have stated that while it is possible Passacaglia or Schmidty were converted, I feel there likely is at least one more spawn role out there (if not two) that was an original spawn. So neither of them seem like a good choice for votes tommorrow at least.. and by association that means most likely Danny shouldn't get votes tommorrow either.. nor Jeheinz or Claphamsa due to the cross vouching...

The list to vote for tommorrow seems really small.. bulletsponge, Saldana or packerfanatic..

[Alan T]

Very good result, but the moving at the end is.....weird.

I need to think about that. It made no sense at all.


Schmidty, which part of my explanation of it didn't make sense? I'd be happy to help answer any questions you may have... What no one else knew is that I also had my AP#3 for the day reserved with a conditional order if somehow enough votes moved off oliegirl that it made a no-lynch, I would have duked olie anyways.

The other thing running through my mind that I did not say before was that jeheinz may be the "gut-feeling" but he also has a chance of being the "Avenger" which does not impact me at all, but I figured if I mentioned it, it would probably scare people away from trying it out.

[Schmidty]

You know what? I am going to be bold for once and say this:

At least one of the 3 people that moved votes at the very end is a spawn, and I don't know that it's Alan, since he was the first to move. Either Danny and/or saldana seem like a good choice.

Now there's some discussion for people.


(Of course, Alan could have done what he did just to mind-f everyone, since he knows that no rational Spawn would be the first to do what he did. I don't know)

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, which part of my explanation of it didn't make sense? I'd be happy to help answer any questions you may have... What no one else knew is that I also had my AP#3 for the day reserved with a conditional order if somehow enough votes moved off oliegirl that it made a no-lynch, I would have duked olie anyways.

Do you have an exact amount? Otherwise, I still don't get it. I'm dumb, remember? :)

[Alan T]

You know what? I am going to be bold for once and say this:

At least one of the 3 people that moved votes at the very end is a spawn, and I don't know that it's Alan, since he was the first to move. Either Danny and/or saldana seem like a good choice.

Now there's some discussion for people.


(Of course, Alan could have done what he did just to mind-f everyone, since he knows that no rational Spawn would be the first to do what he did. I don't know)

I don't know if that is that bold of a statement as I also believe that one of the 3 people who moved votes is probably a spawn too :)

I'll take this as you don't really care what the idea was behind the move :)

[KWhit]

Huh? Schmidty, I don't know what kind of play you're making here, but it doesn't make sense.

[Alan T]

Do you have an exact amount? Otherwise, I still don't get it. I'm dumb, remember? :)


It is 1/3+1 of total players left required for a lynch. At the time we had I think 11 votes for olie, and for 13 players we would have to have had like 5 or 6 votes I think...

So 4-5 people could move without threatening the lynch, but like I said I had a backup duke order in just in case anyone tried funny business.

[KWhit]

The rationale for throwing a couple of votes toward someone who may be the gut feeling makes perfect sense.

[Schmidty]

Huh? Schmidty, I don't know what kind of play you're making here, but it doesn't make sense.

I'm not making any play. I'm just honestly confused.

[Schmidty]

It is 1/3+1 of total players left required for a lynch. At the time we had I think 11 votes for olie, and for 13 players we would have to have had like 5 or 6 votes I think...

So 4-5 people could move without threatening the lynch, but like I said I had a backup duke order in just in case anyone tried funny business.

Yes, yes, I get all of that, but still please slowly, in a way that an unintelligent person can understand, why was there even a reason to move? If others moved, you still could have Duked. I'm not trying to be tricky, I'm just confused.

I really suck.

[KWhit]

I'm not making any play. I'm just honestly confused.

This:

Gut Feeling If you received 2-4 (predetermined before the start of the game) votes throughout the day, the GM will inform you of the secret role of one of those players, however, you won't know which player it belongs to.

[oliegirl]

Man, dying sucks!

[Schmidty]

This:

Gah. Ok.

I really do suck. I'll just be quiet now.

[Passacaglia]

It's okay Schmidty -- everyone thought I was crazy when I voted Alan for the same reason three nights ago.

[Danny]

Alan, what in this game has me not on your trust list? I am the only person who is spawn aware and I have made plays that I felt helpful for the village that have lead to me having more suspicion. I've also been scanned clean, so the only spawn I could be is the unaware spawn.

[Alan T]

Alan, what in this game has me not on your trust list? I am the only person who is spawn aware and I have made plays that I felt helpful for the village that have lead to me having more suspicion. I've also been scanned clean, so the only spawn I could be is the unaware spawn.

I am pretty sure I included you in the list that it doesn't make sense to go after tommorrow. I guess some stuff initially on how you revealed still sits with me oddly, but that could be simply based on you getting different PMs than us. Either way, it doesn't seem to make much sense to push a vote on you yet, but I still feel better about Kwhit and PurdueBrad than anyone.

[The Jackal]

Sweet. If anyone has any questions for me - shoot. As has been mentioned the closest I am to cleared is that PB and I are trustees, but I realize there's nothing else. All of my votes have been for spawn, but I suppose that could've been orchestrated to make myself look good.

I think the list Alan put together is good, and saldana would be my highest suspect at the moment.

[Danny]

I am pretty sure I included you in the list that it doesn't make sense to go after tommorrow. I guess some stuff initially on how you revealed still sits with me oddly, but that could be simply based on you getting different PMs than us. Either way, it doesn't seem to make much sense to push a vote on you yet, but I still feel better about Kwhit and PurdueBrad than anyone.

Fair enough. Just keep in mind no one else has been spawn aware. If I was a spawn it would have more likely been through a convert. In which case I would not be the unaware spawn and would have scanned bad.

[Danny]

I want to look at some previous stuff from Packerfanatic. He seemed full well to know why we were switching votes and his reply didn't sit well with me. Plus there was the day 1 exhaustion issue and the fact that his play seems different to me than the draft game where he was a villager.

[Danny]

I slept - or at least I attempted to. I imagine I was in a bed that got damaged or something?

Posted by packerfanatic after day 1 in which he was exausted despite supposedly taking no night action. I remember he later got into a debate with someone else over who did what, I am going to look for that to see what that was about as well.

[PurdueBrad]

Working on the beds...nice result btw!

[Danny]

Maybe I'm reading into things, but the PF comment about his PM is just striking me as odd. I'm not ready to put a vote on him yet, but it's definitely different from what everyone else seems to have rec'd. Plus, he posted that after BK had told us that some of the beds were damaged - so if he didn't want to reveal his actions last night it would have been a very simple and logical jump to say that he had tried to sleep but there weren't enough beds...

Thoughts???

A post from Oliegirl on day 2 trying to put pressure on Packerfanatic, she was clearly a spawn at this point. I'm going to see where her vote ended up that day since PF was close to being lynched.

[Danny]

Telle - I would suggest taking LSG as your scientist, as I am wounded and would likely be less effective (and with having less people going anyway, we want as much effectiveness as we can get)

Posted on day two. If he was spawn, wouldn't be a bad idea to try and get LSG infected by deciding not to go out on a mission

[Danny]

I'm also keeping an eye out on all of Oliegirl's posts/actions as she was a starting spawn

[Danny]

I definitely think we need to execute someone tonight...there are a few candidates - as in any ww game, there is always collateral damage, which sucks but it's part of the game.

A couple people have thrown Pass and Saldana out there. AlanT mentioned that he had suspicion on a couple other people but didn't elaborate. Any chance you'd want to throw some names and the reason you suspect them out there so we can get some conversation going and see if we can manage to start putting the puzzle together? I'm guessing Danny is one of the ones you suspect, and now that you pointed it out, it does seem odd. I didn't play either of the last games so I don't know how elaborate some of the roles are. Did Danny play? If so, he might have used a function of the last game to buy himself some time in this one...

Here is Oliegirl trying to suggest me as a spawn on day two.

[Danny]

Honestly? And risk me dying? I am probably right on the brink of that anyway, being exhausted AND wounded. If I was able to get a heal, I wouldn't mind going out tired, but I don't know if we have any medics left to heal me.


And just because I might be expendable doesn't mean you should lynch me. Why waste a lynch on a survivor and lose a scientist, who could come in quite handy in the future?

Two posts from Packerfanatic when he had some heat on him. Not necessarily spawnish, but very different from his reaction in the draft game

[Danny]

i am really getting tired of PackerFan trying to use his wounded status as a reason why he shouldnt have to do anything...lots of people got wounded last night and none of them whined about it all day i was probably gonna do this anyway, but the constant excuses about status pushed me over the limit
vote packerfanatic

you think a spawn would make such a lame ass excuse?

Bulletsponge defending Packer on day 2.

[Danny]

Don't you also feel that lynching me just to lynching me isn't nearly as helpful, especially when I come up good? And especially if you get just about everyone to do it...you don't have much of a voting record to go on then, and you lose someone who could potentially help you a lot more in the long run. Granted, I understand the fact I am pretty much useless right now, but who knows what I could do in the future (and you won't if you continue down this path!...no pun intended)

Another post by packerfanatic on day two. Not sure what it means, just trying to do some research for everyone.

[Danny]

i agree, when i read that i thought about voting for Saldana

Unvote No Vote

Vote Saldana

Here is bullet jumping on the bandwagon of another player (who was likely good at the time) when Packer was under strong lynch pressure.

[Danny]

UNVOTE NO LYNCH
VOTE SALDANA

The only other person that has a vote that I feel could be spawn, and he came down on me quite hard - plus he is fairly expendable.

Instead of sticking with no lynch he jumps on Saldana along with Bullet earlier.

[Danny]

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

Unfortunately, there isn't an overwhelming case against him, but I dont' agree with a no lynch vote and of the candidates we have, he is the most expendable.

Vote from Oliegirl on Packerfanatic, this goes along with her putting heat on him earlier. I want to see if her vote stays, but this could drop Packer from the top of my suspicion list for tomorrow.

[Danny]

Oliegirl never unvoted Packer and was not around to switch. I also think Packer would have been a poor conversion choice since he took heat early.

Saldana also finished day 2 on Packer and Bullet voted for no lynch.

I'm going to look at Oliegirl from day one now (should have started here) and see if there is anything interesting.

[Danny]

Again on day two Oliegirl could have very easily gone nolynch but still decided to put a vote on Packer and leave it there.

[Danny]

I didn't see anything meaningful from Olie on day one

[Danny]

Votes from day three where we caught Telle. All of Oliegirl, LSG and Saldana with late throw in votes

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567), Pass (2607), oliegirl (2604),
No execution – Ala2n (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (482), render (2556)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)

[Danny]

On day four, Chubby originally voted for Bullet, but switched to LSG, Oliegirl had a throw away vote for Path

[Danny]

On day 5, Oliegirl once again had a throw away vote not voting for Chubby.

Bullet voted for Chubby, but it was a late vote.

Chubby voted for Bullet.

Bullet was quick to jump in to support Chubby when he made the claims about MV, but then quickly turned against him when things didn't go the way Chubby had planned.

I didn't see a vote from Saldana

[Danny]

Oliegirl the Spawn Queen (who was aware of all spawn) casted throw away votes instead of voting for fellow Spawn Telle, Chubby and Lonestargirl when it would have mattered.

Her play towards Packer was completely different when compared to the other spawn leading me to believe he wasn't a spawn on Day 2. I also think it is unlikely he would be converted. At this point, I don't think I will be voting for him.

This puts Saldana and Bullet at the top of my spawn list for tomorrow. if I die, hopefully the pressure will be on these two players.

[Danny]

And with that I am going to bed, hopefully we have a better night phase then the previous two nights.

[Schmidty]

Here is Oliegirl trying to suggest me as a spawn on day two.

To be fair, just about everyone has been a suspect at some point, and wolves are definitely known to riff off of each other.

Just saying.

[Schmidty]

BTW, (no offense to Danny), but this page, especially the past 20 or so posts, is the perfect example as to why WW posts shouldn't count.

I'll be quiet now.

[saldana]

Votes from day three where we caught Telle. All of Oliegirl, LSG and Saldana with late throw in votes

Telle – hoops (2013), Tyrith (2290), jh (2343), Purdue (2406), Danny (2406), Chubby (2478), KWhit (2523), path (2539), LSG (2547), saldana (2567), Pass (2607), oliegirl (2604),
No execution – Ala2n (2006), Packer (2459), Marc (482), render (2556)
Chubby - Bullet (2498)
Bullet – Mrs. Schmidty (2529), 2581 (Telle)

mine was hardly a "late throw in vote"...we still needed 8 votes to lynch on that day, and my vote was the nail in the coffin that kept telle on the hook

[saldana]

On day 5, Oliegirl once again had a throw away vote not voting for Chubby.

Bullet voted for Chubby, but it was a late vote.

Chubby voted for Bullet.

Bullet was quick to jump in to support Chubby when he made the claims about MV, but then quickly turned against him when things didn't go the way Chubby had planned.

I didn't see a vote from Saldana

i voted for olie that day...i had just gotten what i believed at the time to be an empath scan clear from Chubby, and didnt feel right about voting for him, as if he were a spawn, it would put me right back where i am now, in the crosshairs.

[claphamsa]

BTW, (no offense to Danny), but this page, especially the past 20 or so posts, is the perfect example as to why WW posts shouldn't count.

I'll be quiet now.


i was just gonna say something about post padding ;)

but i think its why they shoudl count!

[Passacaglia]

BTW, (no offense to Danny), but this page, especially the past 20 or so posts, is the perfect example as to why WW posts shouldn't count.

I'll be quiet now.

Why? And what difference does it make whether they do or not?

[Schmidty]

Why? And what difference does it make whether they do or not?

Because to the vast majority of FOFCers, the Forums are about OT, and Text Sims (not necessarily FOF), and to be honest, WW posts don't add anything to the board as a whole.

I'd have more to say, but I don't want to get into it here. I shouldn't have even brought it up.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

Hopefully, BK will just delete the posts about the post counts. It has nothing to do with the game, and will only cause pointless problems.

[claphamsa]

as long as it casues problems for the nasty spawns and not us!

[bulletsponge]

On day 5, Oliegirl once again had a throw away vote not voting for Chubby.

Bullet voted for Chubby, but it was a late vote.

Chubby voted for Bullet.

Bullet was quick to jump in to support Chubby when he made the claims about MV, but then quickly turned against him when things didn't go the way Chubby had planned.

I didn't see a vote from Saldana

ill have you know i voted for Chubby everyday capt for the LSG vote. i was the first one to vote for him after that "im an empathy too so lets waste the other empathy powers" bit he pulled. i was the only one to call him a wolf after that while everyone else for some reason looked elsewhere. i didnt jump in with a late vote for him, i just showed up late and voted the way i was planning on voting because i knew he was a wolf from days ago. chubby also knew i knew because he was trying to pu the heat on me by getting people to focus on my vote alongside him instead of his leading the charge to get the empath lynched.

btw can alnyone tell me who it was that was the emapth Chubby tryed to get killed? was it MV?

[jeheinz72]

Oh, and if it wasn't for my ability, I might think Jeheinz is a spawn from his posting throughout the game

Not to pick on the guy clearing me, but seriously? Really? I still don't get where you folks get this from. Was I wrong about hoops? 100%. I don't think I was alone in my thinking he was Spawn and once I was proven wrong I quickly hopped onto his side, voting for Telle. I also think I made a pretty pivotal vote onto LSG (I was gone for the Chubby vote).

Action wise, I've consistently worked with the group to devise the plan for the engineers, even correcting a moderator mistake that was key on Day 2. I also was the only one who held back his action until post-takeoff so as to get a better handle on what needed fixing. Turned out that had more people done the same we could've fixed things in a better order (and maybe even given phasers to some of those that died).

[jeheinz72]

ok ive seen enough of oliegirl to know shes acting like someone whos a wolf for the first time and looking a sure hanging in the face. its exactly how i acted my first wolfy time.... ok most of the time when im goina get hung.

Vote oliegirl

Posting as I catch up.

I'm nearly certain that if oliegirl is a wolf this would hardly be her first time.

Mainly noting this for myself until I see the lynch result.

[jeheinz72]

Very good result, but the moving at the end is.....weird.

I need to think about that. It made no sense at all.

Schmidty, I actually asked for those votes. My thinking was that we were operating under the idea that everyone had a secret role and I didn't have one yet. So I thought maybe I was Gut Feeling and it wasn't triggered until I had 2-4 votes. So since this was a clear-cut lynch case, rather than just let it be a runaway, let's test the theory out.

For the record, still nothing, so either 3 wasn't enough or I'm not Gut Feeling. Though given that I knew the secret roles of those that voted for me it wouldn't have done that much good. Danny had it right. I need those who haven't used their secret role to vote for me. But let's not do that again unless we have a runaway :D

[jeheinz72]

So is olie the first person to get off'ed in 2 games on the same day (duked in the Tudors game)?

[Barkeep49]

You figured it was going to happen, but when it does it is no less tragic. Danny, JH, & Purdue didn’t see it while working on the sleeping quarters. Nor did Schmidty see it while guarding the water plant.

But at some point less night someone attacked, and then killed, your beloved Captain Alan. He will be missed.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for more than 2 days at this rate of consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2=3 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 19 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 4 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain – Kwhit Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - Passacagalia Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal Exhausted
Medic - bulletsponge Exhausted

Security Staff
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhausted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted

Scientists

PackerFanatic Exhausted Wounded

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor
Lonestargirl – Spawn
Marc Vaughn – Survivor
path12 - Survivor
RendeR - Survivor
Chubby - Spawn
Tyrith - Survivor
hoops - Survivor
Mrs. Schmidty - Survivor
oliegirl - Spawn Queen
AlanT - Survivor

[KWhit]

Sigh.

Good game Alan.

[Barkeep49]

So is olie the first person to get off'ed in 2 games on the same day (duked in the Tudors game)?
No, though I don't remember who the first is.

[claphamsa]

So is olie the first person to get off'ed in 2 games on the same day (duked in the Tudors game)?

i died in 3 games the same day.... 3 differnt site tho :(

[claphamsa]

hmmm, no Alan!

[claphamsa]

any reason none of our medics healed packer? even tho hes probalby the next spwan.....

[Alan T]

Figured that was coming. Good luck good guys!

[PackerFanatic]

I was attacked during the night, although I didn't see my attacker. I was able to fend them off.

[jeheinz72]

Good game Alan

[KWhit]

It is with a heavy heart that I accept the command of this fine vessel. AlanT was a fine captain and he will be greatly missed.

It is now clear that we are facing the toughest challenge ever faced in the history of mankind.


Mankind -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.

Perhaps its fate that today is the 16th of July (just 12 days after the 4th of July), and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.

We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

And should we win the day, the 16th of July will no longer be known as just 12 days after an American holiday, but it will be known as the day when the world declared in one voice:

We will not go quietly into the night!

We will not vanish without a fight!

We're going to live on!

We're going to survive!
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!

[Schmidty]

Crap.

Gut feeling:


Vote Danny

[jeheinz72]

Here here Capt. KWhit!

[jeheinz72]

Do we even need more than 4 beds? I ask because maybe it's better if we stop working just to work (at least at night).

Also, what happens to Alan's phaser?

[KWhit]

I was attacked during the night, although I didn't see my attacker. I was able to fend them off.

I call BS. Alan had a phaser. I think it more likely you were wounded in your attack of him.

[claphamsa]

I was attacked during the night, although I didn't see my attacker. I was able to fend them off.


ho, exlains the woond.

I thnk this kinda clears packer..... ill go check to make sure this wound is new....

[claphamsa]

I call BS. Alan had a phaser. I think it more likely you were wounded in your attack of him.
ooohhh :)

[KWhit]

Question, BK. Do we know if Alan's phaser was discharged? If not, can it be given to someone else?

[Barkeep49]

Question, BK. Do we know if Alan's phaser was discharged? If not, can it be given to someone else?
Yes discharged, no it can't be given to someone else.

[Barkeep49]

Pass asks the ship's scientist, PackerFanatic to join him in the examination room. There is a loud noise and when some of the crew goes to investigate they find two dead bodies.

[claphamsa]

poor pass!

[claphamsa]

so who do we lynch now?

[Alan T]

Peace Pass!

[claphamsa]

and will we find out if he had a role?

[KWhit]

Ack!

Pass, I wish you would have waited on that. I was hoping to lynch PF without you taking a chance on scanning him.

At least we got a spawn.

Good game, Pass. Tough to see you go like that.

[claphamsa]

hmm... just realized. they only killed one last night :)

so that was PFs action......

someone didnt attack? or alan fended off PF and got killed by someone else?

I dont htink they can infect anyone else....

[PackerFanatic]

Well damn, haha. GG guys.

[jeheinz72]

Drat, yeah, Pass should've waited, I think we had PF in our sights there.

BK - Do we get to know if PF had a role?

[Danny]

I was also attacked the during the night, it said I wounded my attacker. Packerfanatic must be spawn since he is the only one wounded.

[Danny]

Vote Packerfanatic

Good try though

[Danny]

Oh, he's dead already lol, nevermind.

[claphamsa]

someone needs to catch up :)

[claphamsa]

I was also attacked the during the night, it said I wounded my attacker. Packerfanatic must be spawn since he is the only one wounded.

wait.... so you wounded your attacker? and alans phaser was discharged?

[Danny]

hmm... just realized. they only killed one last night :)

so that was PFs action......

someone didnt attack? or alan fended off PF and got killed by someone else?

I dont htink they can infect anyone else....

Packerfanatic attacked me, but I fended him off

[Danny]

wait.... so you wounded your attacker? and alans phaser was discharged?

I just woke up, no idea about Alan yet, what happened with his phaser?

My PM clearly says I was attacked during the night, but that I ended up getting the upper hand and wounded my attacker before he got away.

[Danny]

I do wish we would have waited on that scan

[Danny]

BTW, (no offense to Danny), but this page, especially the past 20 or so posts, is the perfect example as to why WW posts shouldn't count.

I'll be quiet now.

I couldn't care less if they count or not. I was trying to help us by going over some old posts.

[KWhit]

Hmmmm.... Danny, do you have a record of whom you've worked with every day? I think you need to work very closely with someone today (maybe more than one) to see if your Spawn aware ability can tell us anything.

[KWhit]

I couldn't care less if they count or not. I was trying to help us by going over some old posts.

Yeah, and I appreciated the effort. Some interesting stuff there about PF.

[Danny]

Not to pick on the guy clearing me, but seriously? Really? I still don't get where you folks get this from. Was I wrong about hoops? 100%. I don't think I was alone in my thinking he was Spawn and once I was proven wrong I quickly hopped onto his side, voting for Telle. I also think I made a pretty pivotal vote onto LSG (I was gone for the Chubby vote).

Action wise, I've consistently worked with the group to devise the plan for the engineers, even correcting a moderator mistake that was key on Day 2. I also was the only one who held back his action until post-takeoff so as to get a better handle on what needed fixing. Turned out that had more people done the same we could've fixed things in a better order (and maybe even given phasers to some of those that died).

Just a gut feeling, but all objective evidence suggests you are good, so don't worry about my gut :)

[Danny]

My work history is as follows

Day 1 Jeheinz
Day 2 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 3 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 4 Claphamsa
Day 5 Jeheinz and Purduebrad

I feel really good about PB and Jeheinz being good. Clap I've only worked with once, so I may have just missed him. Still there are better targets.

[Danny]

My work history is as follows

Day 1 Jeheinz
Day 2 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 3 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 4 Jeheinz
Day 5 Claphamsa
Day 6 Jeheinz and Purduebrad


Fixed as I left out a day

[saldana]

so alan got a shot off, but no one else is wounded?

sorry to see you go alan

[saldana]

heinz...did you get a gut feeling at all

[Danny]

Oh and great job Alan

*salutes the captain*

[jeheinz72]

heinz...did you get a gut feeling at all

Nope, nothing. So either 3 wasn't enough or I'm not Gut Feeling.

[RendeR]

WOW, go HUMANITY!

[Danny]

I really hope we get to see Packer's role before we have to vote.

[KWhit]

Fixed as I left out a day

You only worked one day with Clap. Has he been avoiding working with you?

I don't feel good about him at all. The odds of there being NO spawn in the engineering corps is about nil. Do we have any other reason to suspect he is good?

My guess is that the mechanics of the game wouldn't allow you to detect spawn the first time you work with someone. The role states:

Spawn Aware Has a chance of finding out that a player is a Spawn each cycle that the Spawn Aware player spends in the same location as a Spawn. This chance increases each cycle that the two players spend together.

So I'd like to see you and Clap work somewhere together today - probably just the two of you, as I think you'd have a better chance to identify him if it's just you two alone.

[claphamsa]

well the only thing broke is the beds....

im fine with whatever. beingI know im not a spwan!

[Schmidty]

I couldn't care less if they count or not. I was trying to help us by going over some old posts.

I know. I wasn't trying to single you out for ridicule. Sorry.

I don't need anymore enemies!!! :)

[KWhit]

Nope, nothing. So either 3 wasn't enough or I'm not Gut Feeling.

I think we need to coordinate the suspected spawn of all voting for jeheinz today. I can duke the vote away from him if necessary, but if we have 4 people that are uncleared, I think they should vote for jeheinz today so we can test this theory. Let me give some thought to who that should be, but if you are on the list and refuse to do this, it will be very suspicious (we saw that from PackerF last night).

[jeheinz72]

Any engineers want to cop to not doing their work last night? Only 3 beds were fixed and there were 4 of us. I know I got mine in.

[Schmidty]

Unvote Danny

[jeheinz72]

I think we need to coordinate the suspected spawn of all voting for jeheinz today. I can duke the vote away from him if necessary, but if we have 4 people that are uncleared, I think they should vote for jeheinz today so we can test this theory. Let me give some thought to who that should be, but if you are on the list and refuse to do this, it will be very suspicious (we saw that from PackerF last night).

For the record, I'm down with this plan. Though uh yeah KWhit ol' buddy if you could make sure I don't actually get lynched that'd be fantastic.

[Danny]

Any engineers want to cop to not doing their work last night? Only 3 beds were fixed and there were 4 of us. I know I got mine in.

Check your PM, only three of us worked on the beds. You, PB and myself

[KWhit]

Hey Schmidty. What was your case for being cleared again? You were a duplicant, is that right? And what did you do with the role? Please remind me.

[KWhit]

Check your PM, only three of us worked on the beds. You, PB and myself

Clap, what did you do?

[jeheinz72]

Check your PM, only three of us worked on the beds. You, PB and myself

Oh duh, forgot about that little fact.

So clap, any reason why you didn't do jack last night?

[KWhit]

I'm wondering if today would be a good day to come clean with our secret roles. We know most people's already. But if we all reveal them publicly, it could tell us something.

Thoughts?

[claphamsa]

I know. I wasn't trying to single you out for ridicule. Sorry.

I don't need anymore enemies!!! :)

your only enemy is you!

[Schmidty]

Hey Schmidty. What was your case for being cleared again? You were a duplicant, is that right? And what did you do with the role? Please remind me.

Well, I'm really not cleared anymore. I used my Duplicant ability on night 2 to gain the Doctor's scan ability. I proceeded to use it on Render and announced that he wasn't Spawn. Then Render was killed and confirmed that I was telling the truth; therefore, I was clear for at least a night or two.

Now, I'm pretty much fair game I suppose. I've guarded the Water Plant every single night, and not one thing has happened. That's all I have to say in defense of myself, and of course, that means nothing since I could be lying.

[Danny]

I'm headed to work, I'll be back my normal

[claphamsa]

Check your PM, only three of us worked on the beds. You, PB and myself
wrong!

it yous me not PB

[claphamsa]

Clap, what did you do?
I wiorked on the beds! Danny mis typed!

[claphamsa]

Oh duh, forgot about that little fact.

So clap, any reason why you didn't do jack last night?

wouldnt it be funny if i answered all the posts asking me this?

hahhaahah:banghead:

[Schmidty]

your only enemy is you!

Nah. It's a love/hate relationship, but I'm mostly pro-Schmidty. :)

[KWhit]

Danny/jeheinz? Who worked on the beds with you?

[jeheinz72]

Danny/jeheinz? Who worked on the beds with you?

PB

[jeheinz72]

I wiorked on the beds! Danny mis typed!

No you didn't. I'm positive that only PB and Danny worked on them with me.

[jeheinz72]

I'm wondering if today would be a good day to come clean with our secret roles. We know most people's already. But if we all reveal them publicly, it could tell us something.

Thoughts?

We can do that, but I'll be honest I don't have one (yet...I'm hoping)

[KWhit]

Verrrry Innnnnteresting.

[claphamsa]

You figured it was going to happen, but when it does it is no less tragic. Danny, JH, & Clap didn’t see it while working on the sleeping quarters. Nor did Schmidty see it while guarding the water plant.



per BK

[KWhit]

We can do that, but I'll be honest I don't have one (yet...I'm hoping)

Well, that's part two of my theory. If there are more than just you who haven't received their secret role yet, then there may be someone else who is the "gut feeling".

[jeheinz72]

I don't see any reason to not kick this off. I've been put off by clap from the get go when he was trolling behind after me for the first two days making false accusations. I'll have to look back and see if that was the time that PF was on the hook, if it was then I'll be even more confident in this...


Vote Claphamsa

[jeheinz72]

Well, that's part two of my theory. If there are more than just you who haven't received their secret role yet, then there may be someone else who is the "gut feeling".

But if the Gut Feeling just tells us Secret Roles then it kind of makes it moot.

[jeheinz72]

per BK

What BK posted there isn't what I have in my PM.

So BK we need an answer. Who worked on the beds?

For now, until he clears it up

Unvote claphamsa

[KWhit]

Bk, can we get clarification on who worked on the beds. Sounds like there is confusion. :)

[claphamsa]

Bk, can we get clarification on who worked on the beds. Sounds like there is confusion. :)

either he got it wrong in your PMs or the writeup, but I sent a pm to workon beds

[KWhit]

But if the Gut Feeling just tells us Secret Roles then it kind of makes it moot.

Not necessarily. Spawn have secret roles too.

[claphamsa]

should we keep working on bed? I mean there isnt anyting else to do.

[KWhit]

PurdueBrad, what did you do last night?

[jeheinz72]

Not necessarily. Spawn have secret roles too.

Ah ok gotcha.

[claphamsa]

PurdueBrad, what did you do last night?


he hasnt been around for a while has he.... or is it just my imagination.

[Schmidty]

should we keep working on bed? I mean there isnt anyting else to do.

You guys are the worst housekeepers ever.

I'll be right over with my french maid's outfit.

[KWhit]

Danny - You posted your work list a bit ago:

My work history is as follows
Day 1 Jeheinz
Day 2 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 3 Jeheinz, PurdueBrad and Tyrith
Day 4 Jeheinz
Day 5 Claphamsa
Day 6 Jeheinz and Purduebrad

What about nights you worked also? Do you have those as well?

[claphamsa]

Ok, it was me!

I guess I forgot to send the PM :(

[claphamsa]

I ahve put in the order to work on the beds today. if danny wants to hang out and be cool.

[claphamsa]

sorry BK :(

[Schmidty]

Well, time for bed. See you all in 5-6 hours.

[KWhit]

Yeah, Danny, why don't you and Clap (only) work on the beds today. And concentrate REALLY hard on him.

:)

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, Danny, why don't you and Clap (only) work on the beds today. And concentrate REALLY hard on him.

:)

Danny do you get your Spawn Aware sense from day or night work?

If it's night then I'll work on beds today too (and take the night off). If it's day, I won't work today.

You guys make the call. I just know BK said that the more people around Danny the harder it is for him to get a read.

[jeheinz72]

Well I gotta get some real work done folks, I"ll be back in an hour to see where we are.

I'm leaning Bullet or Clap though.

[PurdueBrad]

BK, please correct the write up to avoid me getting lynched as I did work on the beds last night at least with Heinz and Danny (according to my PM).

I did work on the beds with Heinz and Danny, my PM states that as well, I think BK just put in the wrong name.

[KWhit]

Danny do you get your Spawn Aware sense from day or night work?

If it's night then I'll work on beds today too (and take the night off). If it's day, I won't work today.

You guys make the call. I just know BK said that the more people around Danny the harder it is for him to get a read.

Gut Feeling If you received 2-4 (predetermined before the start of the game) votes throughout the day, the GM will inform you of the secret role of one of those players, however, you won't know which player it belongs to.


It says each cycle, so I assume it happens in both day and night cycles. So I'd like to see Clap and Danny work alone today.

[PurdueBrad]

PurdueBrad, what did you do last night?

I worked on the beds, and that is the truth. I believe BK will change it to reflect that.

[KWhit]

BK, please correct the write up to avoid me getting lynched as I did work on the beds last night at least with Heinz and Danny (according to my PM).

I did work on the beds with Heinz and Danny, my PM states that as well, I think BK just put in the wrong name.

Okay. Well don't work on them today, okay? I want Danny to get a feel on Clap.

[claphamsa]

Danny better not try and feel me up :)

he he. I need a nap :(

[KWhit]

Clap, have you revealed your secret role yet?

[PurdueBrad]

Okay. Well don't work on them today, okay? I want Danny to get a feel on Clap.

That makes sense. Let me know about tonight later, as I should be on most of the day up until 7 pm CST (softball games). My feelings are that frankly the beds aren't that important at this point so we could just pair Danny and Claph or Danny and whoever as a means for his talent to work and leave off the other engineers.

[claphamsa]

Clap, have you revealed your secret role yet?

no.

[KWhit]

no.

Is there a pressing need for you to keep it secret?

[claphamsa]

not really, but its worthless at this poing.

im another absolute trust person.

Medical and enigneering or some such worltessness

[The Jackal]

Hmm. I have to look at some things but I'm still leaning towards saldana.

[KWhit]

The Jackal, did you ever get any information confirming anything else in regards to the Absolute Trust? (PB, don't answer please, I would like to hear Jackal's answer).

[PurdueBrad]

The Jackal, did you ever get any information confirming anything else in regards to the Absolute Trust? (PB, don't answer please, I would like to hear Jackal's answer).

NP, ask the same things of Claph and his PMs too. I would but I'm going to run out for an hour to help the wife with Meals on Wheels. Will be back...

[The Jackal]

No, KWhit. PB and I knew that another person in our AT started as a private (sorry if I'm putting words into your mouth PB but I assume we got the same messages), and I'd thought it was MV .. why did you wait this long to say this clap? Makes no sense.

[claphamsa]

No, KWhit. PB and I knew that another person in our AT started as a private (sorry if I'm putting words into your mouth PB but I assume we got the same messages), and I'd thought it was MV .. why did you wait this long to say this clap? Makes no sense.

i was wondering why everyone was saying anythign.... no reason to.

[The Jackal]

i was wondering why everyone was saying anythign.... no reason to.

Well that's why I didnt say anything the first couple days, but once it was all out in the open .. being in AT with me and PB would've garnered you more trust - the only reason I can see for not revealing is if you were turned spawn on the day when we stopped receiving messages - hence BK's "maybe" answer.

[Barkeep49]

It was PB not clap who worked on the beds last night. The PMs were right, the write was wrong.

[KWhit]

i was wondering why everyone was saying anythign.... no reason to.

When did you find out for sure that it was Absolute Trust?

[KWhit]

Well that's why I didnt say anything the first couple days, but once it was all out in the open .. being in AT with me and PB would've garnered you more trust - the only reason I can see for not revealing is if you were turned spawn on the day when we stopped receiving messages - hence BK's "maybe" answer.

What "maybe" answer?

[The Jackal]

clap just vaulted up my suspicion list

[The Jackal]

What "maybe" answer?

When PB asked him if he'd be told if someone in his AT group was turned spawn.

[The Jackal]

If these were two honest mistakes (not submitting an order, not seeing a reason to reveal AT) they were poorly timed, clap.

[KWhit]

Has Saldana revealed his secret role yet?

[jeheinz72]

So if Danny wounded his attacker and that's presumed to be PF.

Then who killed Alan? We know his phaser went off, but could he have missed?

Anyone else we can't account for last night?

[claphamsa]

When did you find out for sure that it was Absolute Trust?

7-11 and i chided BK cuz it was sooo vague. and there were pms i think the 2 days before hinting at something, but not anythign concreete

[claphamsa]

If these were two honest mistakes (not submitting an order, not seeing a reason to reveal AT) they were poorly timed, clap.

not reveling was not a mistake, there was no reason to do so.

[The Jackal]

7-11 and i chided BK cuz it was sooo vague. and there were pms i think the 2 days before hinting at something, but not anythign concreete

How vague?

[The Jackal]

not reveling was not a mistake, there was no reason to do so.

I sort of disagree with that. You let us think MV was the third part of the trust.. did you feel you didn't need to be cleared? Its either that or you were converted and didn't want to draw attention.

[claphamsa]

I had feelings of trust and such on and on.

[KWhit]

I think I have an idea that could help us clear up a lot. But it will require everyone revealing their secret role (or revealing if they don't know what the role is).

Will you guys bear with me and reveal?

I'm Absolute Trust.

[claphamsa]

I sort of disagree with that. You let us think MV was the third part of the trust.. did you feel you didn't need to be cleared? Its either that or you were converted and didn't want to draw attention.

I dont feel that it would have cleared me. I still think you are lying :)

and no i dont think i need to be cleared.

I see no indication that MV wasnt part ofit, I see nothgin say there were 3.....

[claphamsa]

I think I have an idea that could help us clear up a lot. But it will require everyone revealing their secret role (or revealing if they don't know what the role is).

Will you guys bear with me and reveal?

I'm Absolute Trust.

watchout, this will make you untrsuted by jackyl!

[The Jackal]

I dont feel that it would have cleared me. I still think you are lying :)

and no i dont think i need to be cleared.

I see no indication that MV wasnt part ofit, I see nothgin say there were 3.....

I mean, you'd think if I was lying the real medical AT person would come out. I'm not lying. I don't necessarily think you are either, that play just strikes me as odd. I'd like to hear what PB thinks.

[The Jackal]

I think I have an idea that could help us clear up a lot. But it will require everyone revealing their secret role (or revealing if they don't know what the role is).

Will you guys bear with me and reveal?

I'm Absolute Trust.

Fine with me - AT.

[The Jackal]

- from above "would have come out", not would, as most are dead now.

[claphamsa]

I mean, you'd think if I was lying the real medical AT person would come out. I'm not lying. I don't necessarily think you are either, that play just strikes me as odd. I'd like to hear what PB thinks.

who says there is only one? where did you get all these assumptions about AT? If I had the asumptions you do, then i might have come out, but ive been given no indication of such thigns :)

[The Jackal]

I don't remember why I was lead to believe there was only one, aside from the fact that if there were that many multiples in our AT it'd seem a little unbalanced and there are a lot of secret roles.

[The Jackal]

I'm out for a little bit. To be clear clap, I'm not convinced you are a spawn or anything, I was just surprised you waited this long. There are others I suspect more than you.

[jeheinz72]

As I stated before, I have no secret survivor role as of yet.

[KWhit]

If the assumption you guys were making is that MV was in your AT, that doesn't work, does it, since he was also an empath?

A player can't have multiple roles, can he?

But, let's discuss the 'maybe' thing again. What was this about, and how might it indicate that clap was converted?

I don't remember the details of this....

[claphamsa]

If the assumption you guys were making is that MV was in your AT, that doesn't work, does it, since he was also an empath?

A player can't have multiple roles, can he?

But, let's discuss the 'maybe' thing again. What was this about, and how might it indicate that clap was converted?

I don't remember the details of this....


it was clear that you cannot have multiple rolls.

[claphamsa]

If the assumption you guys were making is that MV was in your AT, that doesn't work, does it, since he was also an empath?

A player can't have multiple roles, can he?

But, let's discuss the 'maybe' thing again. What was this about, and how might it indicate that clap was converted?

I don't remember the details of this....


anyone in my group of AT would have known the instant i was converted... as you would know if you were AT.....

[claphamsa]

hmmm, but Kwhitt cant be spawn, cuz the game would be over right?

[KWhit]

anyone in my group of AT would have known the instant i was converted... as you would know if you were AT.....

You're barking up the wrong tree, dude, and it's not helping your case.

I'm only trying to have someone remind me what BK's statement about "maybe" was.

The Jackal said this:
When PB asked him if he'd be told if someone in his AT group was turned spawn.

But I was looking for more details about how/why he was thinking that could indicate you were converted. I want to hear more about his thoughths on you, basically.

[The Jackal]

If the assumption you guys were making is that MV was in your AT, that doesn't work, does it, since he was also an empath?

A player can't have multiple roles, can he?

But, let's discuss the 'maybe' thing again. What was this about, and how might it indicate that clap was converted?

I don't remember the details of this....

I forgot MV was revealed as an empath, that makes me feel much better about clap.

[KWhit]

BK,

Did PakerFanatic have any special spawn role? Or was he just a normal spawn?

[The Jackal]

anyone in my group of AT would have known the instant i was converted... as you would know if you were AT.....

That's not true - BK told PB that "maybe" we would be told if someone in our group was converted.

[claphamsa]

You're barking up the wrong tree, dude, and it's not helping your case.

I'm only trying to have someone remind me what BK's statement about "maybe" was.

The Jackal said this:


But I was looking for more details about how/why he was thinking that could indicate you were converted. I want to hear more about his thoughths on you, basically.

i have no case... I dont need help

[jeheinz72]

Clap, have you been off the ship?

[claphamsa]

hmm, yes. when i was a prvate, I led the away team day 1

[claphamsa]

i think

[The Jackal]

The Jackal said this:


But I was looking for more details about how/why he was thinking that could indicate you were converted. I want to hear more about his thoughths on you, basically.

The only reason I thought he might've been converted was that he never revealed being part of AT - but part of that was based on the idea that I thought MV's secret role hadn't been revealed, so there's really no basis for it.

I haven't gotten any further PMs about our group since Friday, which I imagine means it's more likely nothing has happened to any of us.

[claphamsa]

i agree, thats why i haven't said anythign :)

[The Jackal]

I would like to hear about saldana's secret role.

[KWhit]

Yes, we still need to know Saldana's and Bullet's secret roles, I believe.

[Barkeep49]

BK,

Did PakerFanatic have any special spawn role? Or was he just a normal spawn?
Normal spawn.

[KWhit]

Bah.

[claphamsa]

Well we dont know if there are any other spawn roels do we? the onlyone guarantted was the queen.

[KWhit]

Well we dont know if there are any other spawn roels do we? the onlyone guarantted was the queen.

I was assuming we'd also be told if we got the unaware spawn or a member of the spawn council. But I'm not positive of this.

BK, can you clarify what kinds of Spawn roles are revealed on death?

[saldana]

I would like to hear about saldana's secret role.

im a light sleeper...which hasnt done me a whole lot of good to this point, since I have only been to sleep once all game.

[saldana]

I was assuming we'd also be told if we got the unaware spawn or a member of the spawn council. But I'm not positive of this.

BK, can you clarify what kinds of Spawn roles are revealed on death?

well we have to conclude that we arent being told about the spawn council...if there was only one kill last night, and one failed kill, which leads us to beleive we are down to one spawn with packerfanatic's death today, then PF and Olie must have been on the council.

[KWhit]

Remember that Spawn can team up on an attack. Just because there were only 2 attacks doesn't mean that there are only 2 spawn left. I HOPE there aren't more than that, but we can't be certain.

[saldana]

so we have clap saying he worked on the beds, which he didnt

and

we have clap saying he is in an absolute trust group, which doesnt make sense in multiple ways

vote clap

[saldana]

Remember that Spawn can team up on an attack. Just because there were only 2 attacks doesn't mean that there are only 2 spawn left. I HOPE there aren't more than that, but we can't be certain.
good point, forgot about that...it would actually make sense that more than one went after alan, since he had a phaser, and no one is hurt

[KWhit]

Wait, Saldana, would you be willing to vote for jeheinz, knowing that I'll duke the vote if necessary (but I don't think it will be)...

[KWhit]

good point, forgot about that...it would actually make sense that more than one went after alan, since he had a phaser, and no one is hurt

Exactly. That's what I was thinking may have happened.

[claphamsa]

so we have clap saying he worked on the beds, which he didnt

and

we have clap saying he is in an absolute trust group, which doesnt make sense in multiple ways

vote clap

which ways are those? that doesnt make sense?

[bulletsponge]

Yes, we still need to know Saldana's and Bullet's secret roles, I believe.

i dont know if i have one, and if i do i dont know it


*Salutes Cpt Alan*

were killing spawn rather quickly, my guy says theres only 1 spawn scum left. we went from 3 attacks, then killed the queen. last night we had 2 attacks and then killed packer. that leaves one of them left, he must be feeling lonely right about now, seeing all his slimy spawn buddies dying so quickly. to be honest im suprised how good were doing

[bulletsponge]

i dont know if i have one, and if i do i dont know it


*Salutes Cpt Alan*

were killing spawn rather quickly, my guy says theres only 1 spawn scum left. we went from 3 attacks, then killed the queen. last night we had 2 attacks and then killed packer. that leaves one of them left, he must be feeling lonely right about now, seeing all his slimy spawn buddies dying so quickly. to be honest im suprised how good were doing


my GUT, not guy.

[saldana]

wow...something really weird just happened to the board

what i was saying to Kwhit was...provided you dont intend on duking it to me

[saldana]

barkeep, feel free to delete all those unintentional duplicate posts

[KWhit]

Well, if bullet, saldana, clap, and maybe 1 more person votes for jeheinz it could tell us a bunch.

[jeheinz72]

Well, if bullet, saldana, clap, and maybe 1 more person votes for jeheinz it could tell us a bunch.

Well, it'd have to be 4 total (since we've already tried 3 votes).

Also so what do we know?

KWhit - AT
PB - AT
Danny - Spawn Aware
jeheinz - ???
clap - AT??
Jackal - AT
Bullet - ???
Schmidty - Duplicant
Saldana - Light sleeper

Have any of the known dead spawn shown to have survivor secret powers? Like did olie ever say she had one? Because if not, then I'll be voting for bullet ASAP, since I know I'm not spawn.

[jeheinz72]

FTR, I think Danny should be that 4th person. That would give us a set of expected returned answers of: Spawn Aware, Absolute Trust, Light Sleeper and ?????

From the answer I should be able to deduce if the person if telling the truth (if one of the first three) or if Bullet doesn't have a power (ergo is Spawn, no?)

[jeheinz72]

To clarify, that 4th person should be someone whose secret power isn't a duplicate of one already voting for me (so Schmidty would work as well). If two of the voters claim to have Absolute Trust then I won't be able to know if one is lying since it doesn't tell me who has the power, just the power.

[saldana]

at the direction of the captain
unvote clap
vote heinz

[jeheinz72]

FTR, it's worth noting that there is no Spawn role that benefits from getting votes, so if some of you have concerns in that regard about me, it'd be pretty lame of me to ASK for votes if I were spawn.

[jeheinz72]

Ha, it's so weird to get votes and it be a good thing. I saw that vote and was like "What the hell! Who isn't listening here!"

Then I realized it was me. :D

[claphamsa]

umm.....

[claphamsa]

vote hinenz

[jeheinz72]

Clap, you're supposed to vote for me (and also get to work on the beds)

[claphamsa]

I voted for you in post 4132.

and at 1057 AM I sent the pm to BK to work on beds...
(this was when I realized I forgot yesterday :( )

[jeheinz72]

I voted for you in post 4132.

and at 1057 AM I sent the pm to BK to work on beds...
(this was when I realized I forgot yesterday :( )

Yeah, we posted at the same time.

And good.

[claphamsa]

I can vote you again if you like :)

[jeheinz72]

I can vote you again if you like :)

Nah, but given that it's presumed here that you're following the plan and not voting for who you think is Spawn, who would you be voting for had this plan not been in place?

[KWhit]

To clarify, that 4th person should be someone whose secret power isn't a duplicate of one already voting for me (so Schmidty would work as well). If two of the voters claim to have Absolute Trust then I won't be able to know if one is lying since it doesn't tell me who has the power, just the power.

Yep. That was my thought. We can deduce a lot from the result if we know what our expected results are and the claimed powers are all different.

[jeheinz72]

So yeah, those 4 should all vote for me, and the rest of us on the lynch. Though the catch is, if I had to pick now, I'd vote for one of those 3 people (clap/saldana/bullet)

[PurdueBrad]

Claph, I do have to wonder why you didn't come out before. I don't *think* you are lying but it would've saved us a lot of discussion over whether or not to scan you, questioning you, putting Danny with you, etc. It's not a powerful role or one worth being killed over which is ultimately why Alan, KWhit, and myself came out. I was a tad bit annoyed that Jackal came out as late as he did but this is crazy. Again, I don't think you're lying but awful timing.

[claphamsa]

Nah, but given that it's presumed here that you're following the plan and not voting for who you think is Spawn, who would you be voting for had this plan not been in place?

bulletsponge

[claphamsa]

Claph, I do have to wonder why you didn't come out before. I don't *think* you are lying but it would've saved us a lot of discussion over whether or not to scan you, questioning you, putting Danny with you, etc. It's not a powerful role or one worth being killed over which is ultimately why Alan, KWhit, and myself came out. I was a tad bit annoyed that Jackal came out as late as he did but this is crazy. Again, I don't think you're lying but awful timing.

i diagree. there is no way to afirm it. so who cares if i come out with it or not!

im must say, when people tarted claiming AT I went back and looked at all of them, its the perferct cover, a vague, and unprovable power.

[KWhit]

If I do end up duking the vote tonight, I will have a mutiny vote on my hands. Those of you that are good MUST vote against a mutiny tonight or we're screwed (I'm assuming all spawn would vote for mutiny).

[jeheinz72]

Vote bulletsponge


I'm leaning not only on the suspicious behavior surrounding the empath business but if we're under the idea that no starting Spawn had a Survivor Secret role then either there was just 1 starting spawn or bullet was the 2nd.

[jeheinz72]

KWhit, I will definitely vote against a mutiny. You're as clear as clear can be in my mind. Not only would I just pay you out if you happened to be Spawn at this point, but I can't find a plausible route on how you'd be bad yet Alan wouldn't be.