LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[Danny]

im 400 posts behind alan T

Alan's percentage of total posts last game without hoops was 7.9% and now this game with hoops is 13.2%.

[Schmidty]

Well, it looks like SuperHoops caught Chubby with his hand in the cookie jar. This one feels good. After this, oliegirl seems like the obvious target for tomorrow.

VOTE CHUBBY

[claphamsa]

Alan's percentage of total posts last game without hoops was 7.9% and now this game with hoops is 13.2%.


i think they make a great couple!

[claphamsa]

Well, it looks like SuperHoops caught Chubby with his hand in the cookie jar. This one feels good. After this, oliegirl seems like the obvious target for tomorrow.

VOTE CHUBBY


hoops is aluding that hes gonna kill her via vigilanty.... hopefully get us to one spawn or two.

[Schmidty]

hoops is aluding that hes gonna kill her via vigilanty.... hopefully get us to one spawn or two.

Ah, ok.

Damn. I read everything, pay attention, and STILL misunderstand things.

[KWhit]

Hmmmm.....

I hope you guys are right about Chubby. I did a double take at his 2 role reveal as well, but after thinking it over, I just assumed that he was claiming to be incorruptable in order to keep the Spawn from converting him. It would be very Chubby-like to assume that they'd come after him after his reveal (even though there were better targets out there), so I'm thinking this isn't as cut-and-dried as the rest of you are.

Having said all of that, it looks like Chubby is Spawn, but I'm not convinced that it is the case. I'm certainly not defending the guy, but I wanted to post my POV before lynch.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, the Spawn would know if they attacked him - we would not. So the lie would only be effective on the villagers.

I guess you can make the argument that the Spawn Council might not know if it was the action of an independent Spawn, but that is stretching my willing suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

[Schmidty]

Hmmmm.....

I hope you guys are right about Chubby. I did a double take at his 2 role reveal as well, but after thinking it over, I just assumed that he was claiming to be incorruptable in order to keep the Spawn from converting him. It would be very Chubby-like to assume that they'd come after him after his reveal (even though there were better targets out there), so I'm thinking this isn't as cut-and-dried as the rest of you are.

Having said all of that, it looks like Chubby is Spawn, but I'm not convinced that it is the case. I'm certainly not defending the guy, but I wanted to post my POV before lynch.

Not trying to make myself look like an instigator, but your post seems like one of those "I'm with ya, but if you're all wrong, I told you so!!!" type things. :)

[Alan T]

KWhit, the Spawn would know if they attacked him - we would not. So the lie would only be effective on the villagers.

I guess you can make the argument that the Spawn Council might not know if it was the action of an independent Spawn, but that is stretching my willing suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

Chubby's comment about being incorruptible was that he was attacked on the away mission which is independant I think of the player spawn roles. (Just a flat % chance). It was only when he then later said he was also the empath that I questioned him about it.

[KWhit]

KWhit, the Spawn would know if they attacked him - we would not. So the lie would only be effective on the villagers.

I guess you can make the argument that the Spawn Council might not know if it was the action of an independent Spawn, but that is stretching my willing suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

No, no. That's not what I was getting at. I think I forgot that Chubby claimed he was attacked and that's how he learned he was incorruptible.

But you're right. It doesn't make sense in that scenario. I retract my previous statement. :)

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote Chubby

[Alan T]

Two questions regarding events that I assumed would have been completed by the time I got home (now)..

What happened to:

1) Hoops doing something with his action

and

2) The engineers working on the slave pens today?

[Danny]

I think we all worked on the slave pens today, so they should be fixed

[hoopsguy]

I've submitted my order - I would ask that you put ask KWhit to put in a conditional to BK if you do not trust that I did.

[KWhit]

Not trying to make myself look like an instigator, but your post seems like one of those "I'm with ya, but if you're all wrong, I told you so!!!" type things. :)

Nah. I wasn't around for much of the day so I didn't get a chance to weigh in on Chubby until now. I felt like I wanted to at least get my thoughts out there before lynch (even though it's likely too late, and I don't advocate changing at this point anyway since it sounds like Hoops is going to go after Olie in a different way).

[hoopsguy]

Order was sent at 3:54 PM (CST) and included both my day and night orders (I asked BK if this was acceptable in that post). I know me posting this does not make it so, but it really is so.

[KWhit]

I've submitted my order - I would ask that you put ask KWhit to put in a conditional to BK if you do not trust that I did.

I can do that.

I have had to catch up a lot over the past hour so I could be missing something, but is there anything else I should put my AP on tonight?

[Alan T]

I can do that.

I have had to catch up a lot over the past hour so I could be missing something, but is there anything else I should put my AP on tonight?

If someone can go through and verify that all of the engineers went to work on the slave pens it would be helpful.. If any of them didn't, you probably want to send them an order to do so.... So we can have the pens fixed during the day phase and not risk any more revolts.

[Alan T]

If no one else can, I have to shower but then will be back in a bit and can try to do it before deadline.

[Danny]

I'll go through and check real quick

[Danny]

Claphamsa, PurdueBrad, Tyrith and myself are all confirmed as working on the slave pens.

I did not see a post from Jeheinz indicating he put in his order or a post from BK saying he worked on them. You guys should put in an order for that.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think that JE has posted today.

[hoopsguy]

And if he hasn't be now, he probably won't as his usual routine is to post from work. Home, not so much.

[Alan T]

Jeheinz said last week he would be away till tuesday but put in conditionals.. since we haven't seen anything from BK though probably do want to put one in for him kwhit

[KWhit]

Where should I order him to work?

[Alan T]

Where should I order him to work?


I believe there was only 4 damage on the slave pens to start the day and if everyone Danny listed worked on the slave pens did so without faking work, then it should be complete...

so:

A) Slave pens to make sure no one faked work

or

B) Security HQ to get a head start on it for tonight

[KWhit]

Okey dokey. Order sent.

[Danny]

Someone should unvote Chubby and vote for Alan to get some action going here. Such a slow deadline.

[KWhit]

Too bad Hoops and Alan aren't here to "discuss" each others' trustworthiness so more.

Then we'd see action.

:)

[KWhit]

4 minutes to deadline and I'm the only one in the thread? Weird.

[KWhit]

Excuse me. 3 minutes to deadline when I typed that.

[Alan T]

Too bad Hoops and Alan aren't here to "discuss" each others' trustworthiness so more.

Then we'd see action.

:)

If I don't give Hoops crap the entire game, we'll never set a WW posting record.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry, was distracted by the "pee in the shower" poll. Sadly, I'm finding myself aligned with an IU fan.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I just want to know what the number is for Spawn I need to play a role in bringing to the forefront for lynch before you cut me a bit of slack. That's all :)

[Alan T]

Alan, I just want to know what the number is for Spawn I need to play a role in bringing to the forefront for lynch before you cut me a bit of slack. That's all :)

if you help bring us 5 more spawn, I will give you slack. I promise.

[Barkeep49]

I'm at post 3639. Will post results as soon as I catch-up.

[hoopsguy]

Do I need to work on a final "distrust" list here, Alan? If so, tell me and I'll try to type quickly.

[Barkeep49]

Whoops. I had forgotten to post JH's action, which he'd sent in conditionally. That and some end of the day one's shortly.

[Alan T]

Do I need to work on a final "distrust" list here, Alan? If so, tell me and I'll try to type quickly.

No, I huff and puff alot, but I do like to think that I let my gut take a back seat to logic at times.

No other vigilantes stood up, and if you and Chubby both are bad, then we're done for anyway without that help..

so because of that, I'm forced to trust you. We kill off Chubby and I hope that you are good. All along I've said you were a low percentage mathematical play, and I'm not one to jump at low percentages in games like this.

When I put in my order previously it was actually to duke oliegirl, I honestly was trying to figure out what you were doing suddenly switching stances on Chubby and now playing to what I felt was my point from days before. So I thought perhaps you were trying to keep oliegirl alive a bit longer (as if she had a more important role or something)..

But the longer I looked at the scenerio, it came back to if you and Chubby are both bad, we're probably doomed anyways.. so no real options but to try to trust you. My biggest problem this game is despite myself being cleared every which way from left, and vouching for the other people in the COT, you seemed to have constantly tried to undermine it as well as give logic that completely is opposite of what I believed to be true (ie: your thought that Telle was a starting spawn, or your pushing for Render to be lynched instead of Telle, etc)...

When it all is said and done, I try to think things through logically even if I wanted to duke you just to get you to stop pushing everyone a completely opposite way of what I feel is logical :)

[hoopsguy]

Hell, I'll do it anyway:

Distrust - most distrusted, moving down from there:
Olie (going to night kill)
Saldana (too many data points that suggest Spawn)
Bullet (exhausted without reason a couple of times after nights with suspected spawn attacks)
Clap (no scan as engineer)
Danny (prime conversion target among engineer, don't think he is all that likely a key spawn role)
Heinz (initial distrust target, tied to Danny, if Spawn I think he is starting Spawn)
Packer (makes more sense to convert other scientist if they had him in fold, but pretty close to neutral)

Trust without reason:
Tyrith - if he is bad he has done a good job of mirroring my thoughts on value of kills this game, making early moves

Trust with reason:
Alan/KWhit - think they have been cleared enough ways by now
Pass - duplicant
Schmidty - duplicant, only one chance to be converted
Mrs Schmidty - cleared today by Pass

I may be missing a person or two in one of these lists, but trying to get it up before results.

[hoopsguy]

Oh, and Telle's action was coordinated. Believe me now, believe me later, believe me post-game - doesn't matter that much to me but I think failure to believe me leads to ignoring a data point. Not the end of the world, but I would prefer we use all the tools at our disposal.

[hoopsguy]

It is critically important for Mrs Schmidty to make good use of her action this evening - the other people with guard actions are compromised.

[Barkeep49]

JH, little observed had followed Tyrith around all day and had started work in the slave pens earlier in the day. hoops earlier in the day also saw to it that Mrs. Schmidty knew that she was going to be the new Sargent-at-Arms. How this would be with the post occupied was left open to a barely concealed plan.

[hoopsguy]

Henry, are you enjoying the ride?

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, I'm back. Doesn't look like much has changed. I'll be on and off for the rest of the evening.

[Barkeep49]

“Crew,” Alan announces just as the killing is about to begin. “We have been lucky so far. We will not count on luck any more. I have ordered that the slaves be killed.”

And with that there is no postponing the death any longer. There is excitement in the air as the crew has been 100% successful so far at rooting out the Spawn. And tonight is no different as the body of Chubby is revealed to have inside of it a spawn!


Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Damaged 3 cycles to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 3 cycles to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T Exhausted
First Officer – Kwhit Exhausted
Second Officer - Hoopsguy Exhausted

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - Passacagalia Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal Exhausted
Medic - bulletsponge Exhausted

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhausted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhausted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhausted

Scientists

PackerFanatic Exhausted

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor
Lonestargirl – Spawn
Marc Vaughn – Survivor
path12 - Survivor
RendeR - Survivor
Chubby - Spawn

[hoopsguy]

Good to get a Spawn, but was hoping for a special. Maybe we'll have better luck tonight.

[PurdueBrad]

Good to get a Spawn, but was hoping for a special. Maybe we'll have better luck tonight.

Ditto. My orders are in to work on the security HQ so we can get some protection again. Hopefully Heinz and Tyrith will do the same, while Danny and Claph will work on the cargo hold.

[saldana]

Good to get a Spawn, but was hoping for a special. Maybe we'll have better luck tonight.

three in a row is great, but the fact that they have all been unevolved has me worried...how many more are out there..they have to have someone with a role.

[hoopsguy]

BK, would we learn if we had bagged a Spawn with a secret role? I think you have said we would learn if we got something like the Queen, but does that hold true for something like Mind Leech, Psionic Connection, etc?

[The Jackal]

Hopefully they don't get a triple kill again..

[Barkeep49]

BK, would we learn if we had bagged a Spawn with a secret role? I think you have said we would learn if we got something like the Queen, but does that hold true for something like Mind Leech, Psionic Connection, etc?
Yes

[hoopsguy]

Alan + KWhit - what do you think has more value for tonight for Mrs Schmidty (and hopefully a Slayer) with their guard actions? Guarding one of you or the seer?

Basically, is your impression that we are in better shape playing werewolf - seer (but with part of our officer group) or werewolf - big parts of our officer group? Because even with 1-2 spawn out of the mix I'm thinking they are going to get to launch multiple attacks tonight. No phasers + fatigue makes us pretty much sitting ducks if last night is any indication.

[Alan T]

Alan + KWhit - what do you think has more value for tonight for Mrs Schmidty (and hopefully a Slayer) with their guard actions? Guarding one of you or the seer?

Basically, is your impression that we are in better shape playing werewolf - seer (but with part of our officer group) or werewolf - big parts of our officer group? Because even with 1-2 spawn out of the mix I'm thinking they are going to get to launch multiple attacks tonight. No phasers + fatigue makes us pretty much sitting ducks if last night is any indication.

Well, if you are good, then we are better off with Mrs.Schmidty protecting Passacaglia.. If you are bad, we are better off with Mrs.Schmidty protecting one of us. No real other way to cut it I am afraid.

[Alan T]

Plus I'm planning on re-reading through alot of the thread to give my farewell thoughts as I expect I'm a goner either way. I feel really good with what I have done as captain and if they do kill me off, I'll be rooting on the rest of the crew to finish off the spawn and complete the mission.

[henry296]

Hoops, it is like the great American novel, I just can't put it down.

[hoopsguy]

Well, if you are good, then we are better off with Mrs.Schmidty protecting Passacaglia.. If you are bad, we are better off with Mrs.Schmidty protecting one of us. No real other way to cut it I am afraid.

Honestly, I'm fine with whatever way it goes down. I know the answer to your question (but don't want to accumulate any more Pass Points tonight!) but I tend to think that you have enough value as a cleared villager to make it an interesting question. Your posts/votes this game notwithstanding :)

Seriously, I'm hoping you have all the answers you need on me by tomorrow. Barring me flubbing my attack, we'll have a quick draw contest between me and the spawn on who attacks each other first. Or, and this would be even better, they will commit multiple resources to taking me out which keep others alive. But I think the odds are pretty good that you should have all the info you need on me at the start of D6.

C'mon random number generator!

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, it is like the great American novel, I just can't put it down.

I would urge you to help write a chapter or two of the next one. BK is setting a pretty high bar for me to shoot for with my next game, as he is reminding me in PMs now :)

[Barkeep49]

I would urge you to help write a chapter or two of the next one. BK is setting a pretty high bar for me to shoot for with my next game, as he is reminding me in PMs now :)
You'll do it. I honestly think you have a shot at 30 people.

[Chubby]

just got home, catching up

[hoopsguy]

just got home, catching up

Please post as you go :lol:

[bulletsponge]

killy Chubby made me feel good. the fact that he was a spawn was a bonus :)

[bulletsponge]

^^ course it was obvious once he got MV (or whomever it was) to use thier power thingy

[Chubby]

^^ course it was obvious once he got MV (or whomever it was) to use thier power thingy

Man you guys are pussies for attacking a guy while he's at work. :p

[hoopsguy]

Honestly, I wish you had been here - the kills have been kind of dull, and I suspect you would not have gone down quietly if you had been around to defend yourself.

Plus this thread needs more posts.

[Tyrith]

Dead spawn = happy Tyrith.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Your PM may not, but the write up does...



Direct from BK's write up post. My vote stands as well.

Yes, but you said "together." It does NOT say we were "together."

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I have zero insight into Mrs Schmidty, other than my "paranoid/delusional" concerns about her as an early spawn that would damage our trust list. But I'm pretty disappointed in what happened here if she was human. I'm more inclined to believe that she was also Spawn and they took their shot at both doctors hoping I would do what I posted I was going to do in the thread (guard something).

Ya sorry boss. Not to make excuses but I had a looooong weekend in RL and got home in time to make my post (PM) and crash last night. Again, I mistakenly used page 1 as a reference as for who our doctors, or medical staff, were. Next time I'll double check in thread. :)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Is it probably the case that either olie is a spawn or both pass and mrs. s are?

I've already been cleared.

[hoopsguy]

Mrs S - it happens. And we killed your new boss today :)

Our doc is Pass today. I would strongly suggest guarding either him or one of the other officers - I'm finally at a point where I firmly believe Alan/KWhit. In fact, you being cleared today was the tipping point. Proof that I actually believe that will come from spending my vigilante action on someone besides them - I had been banking it as an insurance policy up to this point.

If we have three officers as good, without any timetable to promote new ones, then we have eliminated the whole "Spawn Captain" scenario that sunk Spawn 2.

[The Jackal]

I've already been cleared.

By Pass, which is why I said you'd both be spawn. Was just a question.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

As long as she understands who is a doctor this time around :)

It still bugs me that the Spawn felt comfortable taking their shot at both last night.


OUCH! ;)

As far as the spawn, that is the EXACT reason I think Olie is spawn, otherwise I don't think they would have. Just my two copper pieces though.

[Danny]

BK, you said it would list the spawn as having roles, but would it say if the spawn dead was a member of the spawn counsel?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

The only way I see around this scenerio that can save the doctor and kwhit is if we have a vigilante out and about... Here is what I would propose:

I can duke Hoopsguy, and the vigilante kill off Chubby at night. Mrs.Schmidty can protect Passacaglia the doctor..

That frees up everyone to mutiny if they so choose based on the result of the hoopsguy duking, and the bad guys likely will kill off kwhit at night if not kwhit and myself..

Leaving 0 command officers and no one who can be unlynchable for the rest of the game. From there on out it is a straight WW game for everyone left...

Thoughts?

I am NEVER going to be able to live this down...I know it....:lol:

Yes, I will be protecting Dr. Caglia tonight.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I'm almost caught up, sorry if I'm double posting or rehashing stuff that's already been cleared up.

[Danny]

Is Pass is being guarded than whoever the bodyguard is should look at guarding a high ranking officer *hint hint*

[hoopsguy]

It is good to be known for something.

Last thought on guard that I will throw out there - the water is pretty damn important as we get deeper into the game. If they 100% know that you are guarding a person that clears them up to take a shot at the water. So I would put at least a 10% possibility in your mind - while making decisions - that the cargo hold (which stores our water for tomorrow) might be worth a guard. Ditto the Water Plant, with the Water Replicator.

Schmidty should be guarding one of these two every evening, with or without a phaser, as that is his only night action and we have no beds. So that should provide some deterrant to the Spawn, but it is at least worth considering as a guard option.

That said, protect a person tonight :)

[claphamsa]

my hands smell like hockey gloves :(

[Mrs. Schmidty]

my hands smell like hockey gloves :(

Um...eww...

[Schmidty]

I's gonna guard's me somethin', but I's never gonna tells!!!!!

[claphamsa]

Um...eww...

yeah :(

[PackerFanatic]

Sorry I missed the vote (although the fact that we got a spawn makes me happy, especially since my vote really wouldn't have been needed!) Last night turned out busier than I expected. I will be around for the night deadline to see what happens, and then maybe if the cargo hold is repaired, I can actually do something useful!

[claphamsa]

Wasnt hoops gonna kill olie? or did I miss something!

[Barkeep49]

Morning comes and it is another depressing night of reports. Not that the work Purdue & heinz did on the security plant, or the work clap & danny did on the cargo hold is depressing. Nor is the guarding of the water plant that Schmidty did depressing. What is depressing are the three dead bodies you find. The bodies of hoops, Mrs. Schmidty, and Tyrith. While the day has clearly belonged to the survivors, the night has been quite good to the spawn. The survivors can hardly afford another night with three deaths.


Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Damaged 1 cycle to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 1 cycle to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T Exhausted
First Officer – Kwhit Exhausted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted


Medical Staff
Doctor - Passacagalia Exhausted
Medic - The Jackal Exhausted
Medic - bulletsponge Exhausted

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhausted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhausted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted

Scientists

PackerFanatic Exhausted

Deceased
Telle - Spawn
mccollins – Survivor
Lonestargirl – Spawn
Marc Vaughn – Survivor
path12 - Survivor
RendeR - Survivor
Chubby - Spawn
Tyrith - Survivor
hoops - Survivor
Mrs. Schmidty - Survivor

[Alan T]

It looks like Hoops lost the draw on oliegirl last night. Seems likely she's the lynch choice for today. Pass, any thoughts on who you're going to scan today?

[Schmidty]

Motherfudger

[Passacaglia]

It looks like Hoops lost the draw on oliegirl last night. Seems likely she's the lynch choice for today. Pass, any thoughts on who you're going to scan today?

Yeah -- not oliegirl cuz I don't feel like dying!

[claphamsa]

Ill work on fixing the securty headquarters....

vote oliegirl

[Passacaglia]

But seriously, give me like 20 minutes to think about it.

[claphamsa]

so if there are 3 kills everynight, is that becasue there are 3 spawn left?

thats alot :(

[PurdueBrad]

WOW, bad night again.

I'm immediately putting in work on the security HQ. I ask that one other engineer double me up. The other two engineers need to put in their work on the cargo hold and then we can actually fix the beds.

vote Oliegirl

Got everything basic in because I just picked up NCAA 09.

[Alan T]

Engineers, can you have enough people to fix the security HQ today so I can order oliegirl to hand out some phasers before we lose that service for good too?
Should be able to fix the security HQ and the Cargo hold today if you all work right.

[PurdueBrad]

Claph and I will do security then.

Danny and Heinz do the cargo hold.

[claphamsa]

ive put in my odrder to ifx the HQ

[hoopsguy]

Survivors, good luck the rest of the way.

[Passacaglia]

I haven't been paying much attention to the engineers. I see 1 cycle to repair the cargo hold and the security HQ. Does that mean someone faked it?

Also, what's the status of saldana? If I recall, he can be moved from slave master to warden (although whoever can perform this action might now be dead), which means he can guard the HQ. It'd be nice to scan him before we do that, but probably not a huge deal.

[PurdueBrad]

I haven't been paying much attention to the engineers. I see 1 cycle to repair the cargo hold and the security HQ. Does that mean someone faked it?

Also, what's the status of saldana? If I recall, he can be moved from slave master to warden (although whoever can perform this action might now be dead), which means he can guard the HQ. It'd be nice to scan him before we do that, but probably not a huge deal.

For the security HQ, it may mean someone faked it. Tyrith, Heinz and I worked on it but Tyrith left after a little while, as my PM said, meaning he died. So we only got credit for 2 hours of work. I *assume* Tyrith's death means we got no credit for his work.

The cargo hold with one left means that both Danny and Claph did do their work.

[Alan T]

Kwhit, when you check in...

I asked BK already and he says that i can't order Oliegirl to give out phasers to 4 different people as each one would be 1 of my AP.. so lets do this..

You order Oliegirl to give out 1 of the unspent phasers to either yourself , or if you want someone else.. your call..

I'll order Oliegirl to give out 2 of the unspent phasers myself, which should take care of the remainder of the phasers that have charges.

You'll have to put your order in to be active once the security HQ is complete though.. I'll go ahead and put in my order to handle two unspent phasers.

[Barkeep49]

Wasting no time Purdue & clap begin work on the Security HQ.

[Alan T]

I haven't been paying much attention to the engineers. I see 1 cycle to repair the cargo hold and the security HQ. Does that mean someone faked it?

Also, what's the status of saldana? If I recall, he can be moved from slave master to warden (although whoever can perform this action might now be dead), which means he can guard the HQ. It'd be nice to scan him before we do that, but probably not a huge deal.


No trainer or second officer left to be able to do that. Once the position is gone, we can't do the function. So everyone is locked into their current roles the rest of the way.

[Passacaglia]

For the security HQ, it may mean someone faked it. Tyrith, Heinz and I worked on it but Tyrith left after a little while, as my PM said, meaning he died. So we only got credit for 2 hours of work. I *assume* Tyrith's death means we got no credit for his work.

The cargo hold with one left means that both Danny and Claph did do their work.

Thanks for the report. Can someone else confirm this?

[jeheinz72]

Just catching up now...looks like I'm at least still alive which is a plus!

[Alan T]

Kwhit, I put my order in to give a phaser to myself and Passacaglia. You can do what you want with the last unspent phaser.

[KWhit]

RIP Tyrith.

I don't exactly know he did it, but he protected me from an attack last night. I awoke to find him and a spawn in a battle and scooted out of there without being able to tell whom he was fighting.

So thanks for that, Tyrith.

[KWhit]

Kwhit, I put my order in to give a phaser to myself and Passacaglia. You can do what you want with the last unspent phaser.

Will do now.

[Alan T]

RIP Tyrith.

I don't exactly know he did it, but he protected me from an attack last night. I awoke to find him and a spawn in a battle and scooted out of there without being able to tell whom he was fighting.

So thanks for that, Tyrith.


I am guessing he was the Slayer role then.

[PackerFanatic]

Is the cargo hold going to be finished today? Then I can get at least one more phaser up and running.

[Barkeep49]

"This is how it is going to be, olie," Captain Alan informs. "I will get a phaser, as will Pass."

[PurdueBrad]

Is the cargo hold going to be finished today? Then I can get at least one more phaser up and running.

Assuming no work is faked, yes.

[PackerFanatic]

Once I see the order go in to fix the cargo hold, I will put mine in to attempt to recharge a phaser.

Actually - that is only if we have the correct amount of research in. I recall the day that I did my research, I never saw an order in that LSG did hers. BK - can you confirm?

[Barkeep49]

Once I see the order go in to fix the cargo hold, I will put mine in to attempt to recharge a phaser.

Actually - that is only if we have the correct amount of research in. I recall the day that I did my research, I never saw an order in that LSG did hers. BK - can you confirm?
There has been one order of research submitted this game.

[Barkeep49]

"Olie I will also be receiving a phaser this evening," KWhit orders.

[PackerFanatic]

Damn. Okay, I will have to research today, then hopefully can recharge a phaser tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Damn. Okay, I will have to research today, then hopefully can recharge a phaser tomorrow.

Packer, just out of curiosity..

Do you have any other types of research you can do or anything other than recharging a phaser?

Researching that is pointless now as we won't get any phasers out once oliegirl is dead.. so it would be worthless...

Can you research a spawn detector or some other fancy thing?

[claphamsa]

research how to turn the phasers into spawn killer, but not people killers :)

[Schmidty]

Ok, since I have no day actions, and I need to hit the sack, I'll make the obvious vote now. I should be back around 6 pm EST or so.

Vote oliegirl

[Passacaglia]

For the security HQ, it may mean someone faked it. Tyrith, Heinz and I worked on it but Tyrith left after a little while, as my PM said, meaning he died. So we only got credit for 2 hours of work. I *assume* Tyrith's death means we got no credit for his work.

The cargo hold with one left means that both Danny and Claph did do their work.

clap, since you're in the thread, can you confirm if this is true?

[claphamsa]

I did y work, as did Danny.... and nothing special happend. otherwise it wouldnt be done :)

[Passacaglia]

I did y work, as did Danny.... and nothing special happend. otherwise it wouldnt be done :)

I've been paying so little attention to you engineers that I don't even know if all the work was done -- that's what I'm trying to find out now.

[claphamsa]

Alan is at an even 500 posts.... 41 behind poli in rome for the all time lead!

[Alan T]

I am guessing he was the Slayer role then.


This answer from me also explains what Tyrith meant the night he said he screwed up more than anyone would know that both doctors died.. He obviously didn't submit his protection request that night.

[Passacaglia]

votes not on hoops or PF mean nothign...... its eiather we hit 8 or not! so unless you are voting for one of them oh well!

Says the guy with his vote not on one of them.

yeah, ive got a couple people i could get behind, for various reasons.... but neither is named hoops or PF. so why bother changing!

This exchange, on page 32, screams clap=wolf to me. He may get my scan, but the part of me that doesn't want to die says I should go somewhere else. But the part of me that thinks I'll die tonight anyway says I might as well.

[claphamsa]

This answer from me also explains what Tyrith meant the night he said he screwed up more than anyone would know that both doctors died.. He obviously didn't submit his protection request that night.
makes snese.. too bad he coudnt take the spawn with im!

[claphamsa]

This exchange, on page 32, screams clap=wolf to me. He may get my scan, but the part of me that doesn't want to die says I should go somewhere else. But the part of me that thinks I'll die tonight anyway says I might as well.

well scan me and you wont die.

[Passacaglia]

Heinz, you were also getting into it with Danny around the same time. Any thoughts on that, in retrospect?

[Alan T]

Alan is at an even 500 posts.... 41 behind poli in rome for the all time lead!


I had over 1000 posts in the WW Survivor game I remember.

[Alan T]

This exchange, on page 32, screams clap=wolf to me. He may get my scan, but the part of me that doesn't want to die says I should go somewhere else. But the part of me that thinks I'll die tonight anyway says I might as well.


I'm trying to figure out who to look at also Pass.. the thing is we know there were at least 3 kills last night, so 3 wolves that don't include Clap if his work was done on the cargo hold..

I think what makes sense is we go back and double check what was needed before night and was done after night in regards to engineering work.. We assume Tyrith didn't do work.. and if all of that work is done, we know we have 3 spawn elsewhere

[Alan T]

Before:

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Damaged 3 cycles to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 3 cycles to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

After:

Room Reports
Engine Room – Operational (Undamaged)
Water Plant – Operational (Undamaged)
Cargo Hold - Damaged 1 cycle to repair (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 23 units (Enough reserves for for just barely over 1 day at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 95 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Damaged 1 cycle to repair
Brig -
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 23 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 0 people to sleep)

[Alan T]

So thats 2 people in each location.. Tyrith not doing work.. that means all engineers were not involved in last night's kills. (doesn't mean they aren't spawn)

[Passacaglia]

My other thought is to stay away from the engineers entirely, since they seem to be useful to us. So who's NOT useful to us?

There's The Jackal and bulletsponge -- I can't think of anyone who's been wounded lately. Can that even happen after liftoff?

PakerFanatic can still do research, right? Not useful in the same way as the engineers -- he could come up with nothing, but we would have no idea if he was faking.

saldana doesn't have much use to us now. I was hoping he could replace me or Schmidty, but with no second officer, I guess that's out.

Schmidty will be useful in a day or two if they damage the water plant. If he's bad, we're probably screwed. He used his duplicant powers before liftoff, right? I'm assuming he wasn't on an away team, but could he have been converted at night?

[Alan T]

We can break out list down into who could have and who didn't do the kills..

Assume didn't do the night kills:
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa Exhuasted
Doctor - Passacagalia Exhausted

Could have done kill:
Medic - The Jackal Exhausted
Medic - bulletsponge Exhausted
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhausted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhausted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhausted
PackerFanatic Exhausted

[Passacaglia]

So thats 2 people in each location.. Tyrith not doing work.. that means all engineers were not involved in last night's kills. (doesn't mean they aren't spawn)

Yeah, looks like it. I was too lazy to go back and check (even though I've been all over the thread looking at other stuff), but 1 unit of damage screamed faking to me.

[Passacaglia]

Does working as an engineer necessarily mean you can't also perform an attack?

[Danny]

This exchange, on page 32, screams clap=wolf to me. He may get my scan, but the part of me that doesn't want to die says I should go somewhere else. But the part of me that thinks I'll die tonight anyway says I might as well.

I worked with Clap alone and did not get a report he is spawn. And honestly with the three deaths most likely coming from three different spawn, Clap couldn't be a wolf if there are only three spawn left alive.

[Alan T]

I assume oliegirl did one of the kills.. We can possibly assume Schmidty didn't because of BK saying he guarded the plant.. but I think I remember in past games that could have been deceptive.. I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt for now though...

The Jackal claims to have been in absolute trust with purduebrad, so maybe he might be a decent scan choice Pass, but I think we give him a slide too for now..

I still think Bulletsponge was being set up to be a patsy previously on the vote where I pushed back on and pushed LSG as the candidate, so not sure he is or isn't spawn, but I am less convinced he is..

So that leaves Saldana and Packerfanatic as higher than likely candidates to have done the night kills from where I sit.

[Alan T]

Does working as an engineer necessarily mean you can't also perform an attack?


I assume that is the case...

Barkeep can you clarify that a spawn can't do two AP actions at night? (ie: crew work and a night kill)

[Danny]

Sent in my order to work on the cargo hold. Easy vote for today

Vote Oliegirl

[Barkeep49]

Danny is seen heading towards the cargo hold with tools.

[Danny]

I need to get going, but assuming the answer to Alan's question comes back as yes, I think we should consider putting the list of his suspected bad guys all in the hold together.

Let the people who could have made the kills last night kill each other off and those who remains we can vote off.

[Passacaglia]

I need to get going, but assuming the answer to Alan's question comes back as yes, I think we should consider putting the list of his suspected bad guys all in the hold together.

Let the people who could have made the kills last night kill each other off and those who remains we can vote off.

Unfortunately, I've shirked my Warden duties -- sorry about that. Maybe Alan can put in an order for that, but I'm not sure.

[Barkeep49]

Packer is seen working on something in his lab.

[Danny]

That's unfortunate as on the list of people who could kill we can lynch Oliegirl, scan one and then put the other four in the brig.

[Passacaglia]

I assume that is the case...

Barkeep can you clarify that a spawn can't do two AP actions at night? (ie: crew work and a night kill)

BK, can we get an answer here? It doesn't look like spawn kills take up AP in the rules. Can someone do a 'public role' night action, and perform a night kill?

[Barkeep49]

BK, can we get an answer here? It doesn't look like spawn kills take up AP in the rules. Can someone do a 'public role' night action, and perform a night kill?
Yes

[Alan T]

Yes


Oh well, so much for those lists I made. Back to the drawing board!

Well Pass, my suggestion would be to scan Danny.. Danny seems to be vouching for the rest of the engineers.. so if he is good, that goes a long way.

Perhaps before you do.. might want to make sure we understand how spawn aware works better.. ie: is working in the same room at nights for multiple nights be enough, or does it require no work, or sleep or what.

[Passacaglia]

I actually liked your ideas on saldana and PackerFanatic. I figure the engineers are being useful, so I'm inclined to leave them alone for now. I'm also scared of Schmidty -- I'm pretty sure he used his duplicant power before liftoff, so he could have been converted.

[jeheinz72]

Ok, I have my order in to join in on the work, that should be coming soon. As far as what I missed, good gravy.

2 Spawn lynches = awesome
6 survivor deaths = not awesome.

I really don't feel too clued into the game right now, I see all the votes for olie. What's our rationale there? Is it the fact she should've been guarding the docs when they both died? If so, I'll vote shortly. If it's more complex, please clue me in. I have to admit the hoops/Alan back-and-forth had me scanning rather quickly.

[Alan T]

Ok, I have my order in to join in on the work, that should be coming soon. As far as what I missed, good gravy.

2 Spawn lynches = awesome
6 survivor deaths = not awesome.

I really don't feel too clued into the game right now, I see all the votes for olie. What's our rationale there? Is it the fact she should've been guarding the docs when they both died? If so, I'll vote shortly. If it's more complex, please clue me in. I have to admit the hoops/Alan back-and-forth had me scanning rather quickly.


It is not only that she said she would guard someone who ended up dying, but that she then after the fact still said that she guarded them, but got away even though the rules state that is not how the protection role works.

[jeheinz72]

As far as my own innocence, I think obviously if Danny is cleared I should be given a nod to the good. I also placed a solid vote on LSG when I could've easily voted elsewhere and ran.

I'm open to any questions/scans.

[jeheinz72]

It is not only that she said she would guard someone who ended up dying, but that she then after the fact still said that she guarded them, but got away even though the rules state that is not how the protection role works.

Yeah that works for me. Voting next.

[jeheinz72]

Vote oliegirl

[The Jackal]

vote oliegirl

[jeheinz72]

Heinz, you were also getting into it with Danny around the same time. Any thoughts on that, in retrospect?

Pass, without going back and re-reading, I briefly remember this in the Day 2 (I think Day 2) hoopla when I was still all over hoops and he all over me. Then Danny kinda got into it too. I don't remember much about this truth be told, but if you have some posts you'd like me to answer, just quote 'em or post the numbers and I'll have a look.

[Alan T]

I actually liked your ideas on saldana and PackerFanatic. I figure the engineers are being useful, so I'm inclined to leave them alone for now. I'm also scared of Schmidty -- I'm pretty sure he used his duplicant power before liftoff, so he could have been converted.


Well I brought up Danny because you seemed to have concerns about various engineers communication that set off warning bells.. Others mentioned the same thing about claphamsa and jeheinz as well. So by clearing Danny should in effect clear all of them now if we understand Spawn Aware correctly...

Just seems like the best bang for the buck considering I'm assuming you'll die tonight without any further security that can protect us.

[Barkeep49]

heinz is seen working away on the Cargo Hold.

[KWhit]

Vote Oliegirl

[Passacaglia]

Well I brought up Danny because you seemed to have concerns about various engineers communication that set off warning bells.. Others mentioned the same thing about claphamsa and jeheinz as well. So by clearing Danny should in effect clear all of them now if we understand Spawn Aware correctly...

Just seems like the best bang for the buck considering I'm assuming you'll die tonight without any further security that can protect us.

That's kinda old news now -- I really just wasn't paying attention to who's doing what work, how much work needed to be done, etc. I'm cool with them now that it seems like they've all done their homework like good kiddies.

[Alan T]

That's kinda old news now -- I really just wasn't paying attention to who's doing what work, how much work needed to be done, etc. I'm cool with them now that it seems like they've all done their homework like good kiddies.


It doesn't matter to you that BK just said that they can do engineering work and do a kill at night though? I was in the same boat as you prior to BK's clarification of that.. now I'd like a bit more peace of mind that they're all ok.. Only person who seems to be able to do that is Danny

[saldana]

another disasterous night...no reason to change my vote from yesterday

vote olie

[saldana]

dola the fact that the spawn can still do their night activity and their survivor night activity is pretty huge...the engineers could have been actually doing their work all along, and still killing or seeding, and we were just taking it for granted they were good guys because their work was getting done.

[oliegirl]

Uh...I'm not a spawn. Really. I promise.

[Passacaglia]

dola the fact that the spawn can still do their night activity and their survivor night activity is pretty huge...the engineers could have been actually doing their work all along, and still killing or seeding, and we were just taking it for granted they were good guys because their work was getting done.

We were? I thought we were just not messing with them since, by doing their work, they're still helping us out, even if they're bad. I didn't know we thought it meant that they were good.

[jeheinz72]

I, even as an engineer, agree with Pass. I wasn't expecting someone to be ok with me just on the basis of that. I wasn't clearing the other engineers on that basis either. A lot of times faked work would've stuck out like such a sore thumb that they wouldn't have had a choice.

[bulletsponge]

just caught up. still alive and still a survivor. bad news about the deaths

[claphamsa]

I had over 1000 posts in the WW Survivor game I remember.

doesnt count! it was multiple threads... its wierd looking back tho, you blade or poli lead a vast majoirty of the games... and your the only one who still plays!

[Alan T]

doesnt count! it was multiple threads... its wierd looking back tho, you blade or poli lead a vast majoirty of the games... and your the only one who still plays!


I had 702 posts in one thread in that game. I have alot more posts to go this game to catch that!

[claphamsa]

I'm trying to figure out who to look at also Pass.. the thing is we know there were at least 3 kills last night, so 3 wolves that don't include Clap if his work was done on the cargo hold..

I think what makes sense is we go back and double check what was needed before night and was done after night in regards to engineering work.. We assume Tyrith didn't do work.. and if all of that work is done, we know we have 3 spawn elsewhere

im not a spawn! do i get get pass points for this?

[claphamsa]

I had 702 posts in one thread in that game. I have alot more posts to go this game to catch that!
huh, i only looked int he top 10 or so most poseted game threeads.... must have been impressive to get 700 posts in a thread that didnt top 2200 :)

huzzah!

[jeheinz72]

I think someone was asking this, but yeah, Tyrith didn't get work done. He started working then split (now we know it was to go get killed)

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Good luck guys! :)

[claphamsa]

over an hour of no posts? can we vote spawlynchfall?

[Alan T]

Not sure if i have already

Vote oliegirl

[Barkeep49]

over an hour of no posts? can we vote spawlynchfall?
No because of actions that could potentially occur today. Plus being in night phase is hardly a better option.

[PackerFanatic]

Since I missed the vote yesterday, I better get it in now.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

I would be surprised if this isn't unanimous.

[Tyrith]

*lies flayed on the deck, waiting for someone to clean him up*

[jeheinz72]

So what are we thinking, that since there were 3 kills last night we face still 3+ spawn?

Also, Pass, have you scanned someone today? If not, who is on the docket?

[jeheinz72]

Also, if we're operating under the thought that everyone has a survivor secret role, I"m not averse to getting some cast-off votes (provided olie is still lynched). By the looks of it, I may be the Gut Feeling (or Light Sleeper would be another option)

[jeheinz72]

To add, Pass, if you're taking scan recommendations, I'd pick Danny. It'd be a nice wolfish move to have Danny fake the Spawn Aware and clear engineers to gain trust. Other ideas would be myself (you'll live and I'll be cleared), Jackal, Bullet.

[claphamsa]

No because of actions that could potentially occur today. Plus being in night phase is hardly a better option.

didnt think so ;)

jsut wanted to reinvigorate the thread :)

[Barkeep49]

Danny receives a comprehension medical examination from Pass.

[Poli]

Hooked on phonics worked for me.

[Alan T]

Danny receives a comprehension medical examination from Pass.


Did they also both exit?

[Passacaglia]

Danny's good.

Hey, olie's in the thread. How about this for the tombstone: "I finally got to be a wolf, and on the day I got lynched, Pass didn't even bother voting for me!" :p

Peace out y'all.

[hoopsguy]

I'm sad the wolves didn't follow Danny's suggestion to leave me alive to continue building the post count. Sigh.

[oliegirl]

Danny's good.

Hey, olie's in the thread. How about this for the tombstone: "I finally got to be a wolf, and on the day I got lynched, Pass didn't even bother voting for me!" :p

Peace out y'all.

You just think you are funny don't you????

[Alan T]

Case for Passacaglia: Used the duplicant ability on the day that we were in space and there were 3 other kills. However technically he would have to have used it the day before for the training to take place the next day. I would have to go back to look at the timing, but I guess there is some possibility of him having done this while having a spawnling inside of him, but the percentage chance on that is fairly small..

So assuming Passacaglia is good, we get the following:

Vouched:
Alan T - Kwhit - Vouch for each other

Passacagalia vouches for:

Danny whom vouches for:

JeHeinz72, Claphamsa
and
PurdueBrad whom vouches for:

The Jackal


Which leaves at least 3 spawn among:

bulletsponge
oliegirl
Schmidty
Saldana
PackerFanatic

The only real holes in this is if Danny is the unaware spawn or Passacaglia is indeed bad, or Danny is good but misinterpreting how his spawn aware role works. Both of the first two are fairly small percentage chances, so it looks like we have a road of four people to plow through finding the other spawns...

[claphamsa]

Danny doesnt necesarily clear any of us... just doesnt pick anything up. we could go all hoops and start discussing odds... but i hated stats in school and i hate them nwo!

[Alan T]

Danny doesnt necesarily clear any of us... just doesnt pick anything up. we could go all hoops and start discussing odds... but i hated stats in school and i hate them nwo!


Well, it is not difficult math to claim that the chances of either you or jeheinz being a spawn are smaller than anyone that hasn't even had two nights with a spawn aware without any alarms.

[claphamsa]

yeah, true. i think ive only had oen with him... but I see your point! just dont want people thinking were all absolutley trusted simply becasue of this :)

[Alan T]

yeah, true. i think ive only had oen with him... but I see your point! just dont want people thinking were all absolutley trusted simply becasue of this :)


The only person I absolutely trust is Kwhit.. My post was all about percentages... for instance I am not entirely sure that there wasn't some possibility that Pass wasn't made a spawn in between using his duplicant ability.. but that is a high risk/low reward play for me to try to fish that out.. So the safest play here is to assume he is good and to look at the 4 people whom I can't find anything good about.. If we strike out there, then we have to re-evaluate things starting with Pass and/or Danny.

[Danny]

Im catching up now

[Danny]

Well, it is not difficult math to claim that the chances of either you or jeheinz being a spawn are smaller than anyone that hasn't even had two nights with a spawn aware without any alarms.

The most cleared of the engineers is Jeheinz, followed by Claphamsa. I believe both to be good. Purduebrad is less cleared. I worked with him two nights, but he was one of three which lowered any chance I had of detecting him.

Still, the engineers are not 100% cleared because my ability may have missed a spawn, but it would definitely be better to look elsewhere. Also, now that you guys trust that I am spawn aware and the ship is mostly fixed I can probably use my ability a bit better now.

[Danny]

I'm glad I was finally scanned.

Alan, are you or Kwhit able to order people into the brig?

[Danny]

Purduebrad, I would like to work tonight with just you, is that alright?

[jeheinz72]

Just to play devil's advocate here, but couldn't Pass have just faked using the duplicant thing and then fake-cleared Danny? I mean don't get me wrong, Danny is getting the correct *read* on me, but I'm just concerned.

I'm still all for an olie lynch here today, but I just worry about this whittling being seemingly too easy

[jeheinz72]

I've put my order in to work on the beds tonight, fyi.

[Alan T]

I'm glad I was finally scanned.

Alan, are you or Kwhit able to order people into the brig?


Nope, unfortunately.

[Alan T]

Just to play devil's advocate here, but couldn't Pass have just faked using the duplicant thing and then fake-cleared Danny? I mean don't get me wrong, Danny is getting the correct *read* on me, but I'm just concerned.

I'm still all for an olie lynch here today, but I just worry about this whittling being seemingly too easy


He faked Barkeep listing him as a doctor? :)

[Danny]

Just to play devil's advocate here, but couldn't Pass have just faked using the duplicant thing and then fake-cleared Danny? I mean don't get me wrong, Danny is getting the correct *read* on me, but I'm just concerned.

I'm still all for an olie lynch here today, but I just worry about this whittling being seemingly too easy

I don't think you can fake the duplicant role. It's possible he got converted afterwards, but he would have been able to fake the duplicant role and comtinue faking scans I don't believe. If you don't want to clear either of us 100% that is fine, but there are a list of people without anything or anyone vouching for them right now that should be looked at first.

[claphamsa]

Purduebrad, I would like to work tonight with just you, is that alright?
pretty much everythign will be fixed by the end of the day right?

I say we all go fix bunks... then you can read everyone :)

[Danny]

I'll probably be dead soon now that I have been mostly cleared

[claphamsa]

pretty much everythign will be fixed by the end of the day right?

I say we all go fix bunks... then you can read everyone :)


confirmed this. evertythign is fixed excpet beds... so we shoudl all be there!

[claphamsa]

can we get a BG protect on danny? is he worth it? is cheese good?

[Danny]

I think Pass is still a bigger target than I am, but if they get in two kills they may go for me in there somewhere. It would be nice if we could get them back to 1 kill a day

[Alan T]

can we get a BG protect on danny? is he worth it? is cheese good?


Going to have to dig up one from the grave...

Or you could decide to not vote for oliegirl and see if she protects anyone :)

[jeheinz72]

He faked Barkeep listing him as a doctor? :)

I don't think you can fake the duplicant role. It's possible he got converted afterwards, but he would have been able to fake the duplicant role and comtinue faking scans I don't believe. If you don't want to clear either of us 100% that is fine, but there are a list of people without anything or anyone vouching for them right now that should be looked at first.

Good points. Like I said, I was mainly playing devil's advocate, I admiteddly rushed through the whole sequence of Pass suddenly being a doctor. But ok, yeah, if you two are as confident as you seem that it's on the up-and-up, I'll let that dog lie.

So ok, we snipe olie today and work off that list.

[claphamsa]

Going to have to dig up one from the grave...

Or you could decide to not vote for oliegirl and see if she protects anyone :)

bah!

[jeheinz72]

Is the number of kills related to the number of presumed Spawn? Or could even just 1 spawn kill like that?

Just seems if they're knocking off 2 each night (presuming we're correct about olie being Spawn and there are only 3 today) without a BG, this game could end real quick.

[Alan T]

Good points. Like I said, I was mainly playing devil's advocate, I admiteddly rushed through the whole sequence of Pass suddenly being a doctor. But ok, yeah, if you two are as confident as you seem that it's on the up-and-up, I'll let that dog lie.

So ok, we snipe olie today and work off that list.


You're only reading half of what I post I think.. Go back and re-read what my thoughts are about Pass... I clearly listed the -ONLY- way he could be a spawn would have been to be converted the night before using his duplicant ability when he did not know he had a spawnling inside of him.. and then the next day when he became a doctor, he also became a spawn.

Since the probability of the timing on all of that is really small, that is why I said we had better targets to go after today, and tommorrow.

[Danny]

Is the number of kills related to the number of presumed Spawn? Or could even just 1 spawn kill like that?

Just seems if they're knocking off 2 each night (presuming we're correct about olie being Spawn and there are only 3 today) without a BG, this game could end real quick.

Hopefully we can get lucky and they end up with a failed kill, but yes I think it's pretty important to nail a spawn each of the next two nights.

[Alan T]

Is the number of kills related to the number of presumed Spawn? Or could even just 1 spawn kill like that?

Just seems if they're knocking off 2 each night (presuming we're correct about olie being Spawn and there are only 3 today) without a BG, this game could end real quick.


The rules state that each spawn can carry out their own action.. or they can team up for a better chance of success.. Just 1 spawn carrying out an action = less chance of success.. So two nights ago, we obviously had at least 4 spawn left but only 3 kills.. last night we have at least 3 spawn left since there were 3 kills.

They could have split up and only done one person per kill and just got extremely lucky.. or they could have alot more than 3 spawn left, which also then increases our chances of getting spawn correct on lynches too.

[Danny]

If they have a lot more then 3 spawn left would hit a spawn every night and still lose. I'm hopefully optimistic there there is in fact a max of 3 left.

[oliegirl]

Going to have to dig up one from the grave...

Or you could decide to not vote for oliegirl and see if she protects anyone :)

That is the best idea I have heard all day! Who do you want me to guard tonight Alan????

[Alan T]

Hopefully we can get lucky and they end up with a failed kill, but yes I think it's pretty important to nail a spawn each of the next two nights.


That is why I had kwhit and I hand out some phasers.. even with a phaser it doesn't mean they can't kill us.. but it helps with the odds for us.. Also makes them possibly make different decisions to team up instead of spreading out if their juicy targets all have phasers.

[Danny]

That is the best idea I have heard all day! Who do you want me to guard tonight Alan????

Shhhh, it will be all over soon

[jeheinz72]

You're only reading half of what I post I think.. Go back and re-read what my thoughts are about Pass... I clearly listed the -ONLY- way he could be a spawn would have been to be converted the night before using his duplicant ability when he did not know he had a spawnling inside of him.. and then the next day when he became a doctor, he also became a spawn.

Since the probability of the timing on all of that is really small, that is why I said we had better targets to go after today, and tommorrow.

No I get it, and I did when I made the post you quoted. Hence why I'm not pushing it any more. I think you're right, the odds are small that it's just not the problem of the day.

[Danny]

What would be great for tomorrow is a list of the players Alan mentioned and their supposed night actions and day status as exhausted or not for all of the days. So far it seems like analyzing what's happened during then night is the best way to catch spawn.

Also, something to keep in mind, but none of the three dead spawn right now were on the counsel. This means the three longest living spawns are still alive and I would put people who were cleared earlier on on like Schmidty a touch down the list of guys like Packerfanatic who have never been cleared.

[jeheinz72]

Ok folks I'm outta here, check ya in the A-M.

[saldana]

We were? I thought we were just not messing with them since, by doing their work, they're still helping us out, even if they're bad. I didn't know we thought it meant that they were good.

none of them have gotten scanned, and i dont think they have pulled in more than 2 or 3 votes as a group all game...that pretty much looks like we are assuming they are good guys..no suspicion whatsoever has been on them

[Danny]

I have been scanned Saldana. Also, it is unlikely Jeheinz is bad because I have worked with him so much. I also have no gotten bad reads on Clap or Purdue although I am less sure about them from my ability

[Danny]

Oh, and if it wasn't for my ability, I might think Jeheinz is a spawn from his posting throughout the game

[saldana]

yeah, danny, i was posting as i caught up, thanks

[hoopsguy]

Happy birthday, Bulletsponge.

Hope you don't pick up the birthday curse in WW :)

[PurdueBrad]

Alright guys, let's get a good lynch today. I'm out till late, good luck guys!

[bulletsponge]

ok ive seen enough of oliegirl to know shes acting like someone whos a wolf for the first time and looking a sure hanging in the face. its exactly how i acted my first wolfy time.... ok most of the time when im goina get hung.

Vote oliegirl

[saldana]

most boring WW. Day. Ever.

[Alan T]

most boring WW. Day. Ever.

Well if Hoops hadn't been night killed then maybe this wouldn't have been the case!

[claphamsa]

yeah, talk about a loss of momentum!

[Danny]

How many votes do we have on Oliegirl now?

[Alan T]

How many votes do we have on Oliegirl now?


Dunno, i assume enough no one has voted for anyone else.

[Danny]

I might want to switch my vote to Jeheinz. He thought he might have the ability gut feeling. If he does, I would like one of the players from the list of 6 to switch with me.

[hoopsguy]

Well if Hoops hadn't been night killed then maybe this wouldn't have been the case!

In Spawn tradition, I have this to say:


...

[Alan T]

I might want to switch my vote to Jeheinz. He thought he might have the ability gut feeling. If he does, I would like one of the players from the list of 6 to switch with me.


Right now we have 11 votes on oliegirl which is more than enough

[Alan T]

I might want to switch my vote to Jeheinz. He thought he might have the ability gut feeling. If he does, I would like one of the players from the list of 6 to switch with me.

you would need at least 3 other people to switch with you.. since it is triggered by a predetermined amount of votes (between 2 and 4)

[Schmidty]

Happy birthday, Bulletsponge.

Hope you don't pick up the birthday curse in WW :)

Yeah. Happy birthday.

[Danny]

This is the list I am referring to

bulletsponge
oliegirl
Schmidty
Saldana
PackerFanatic

There's actually a player not here who I suspect might be a spawn, but I will keep that private for now as it is entirely gut feeling. I would like Packerfanatic to switch his vote to Jeheinz with me if he comes online.

[Danny]

you would need at least 3 other people to switch with you.. since it is triggered by a predetermined amount of votes (between 2 and 4)

Isn't it anyway of those numbers?

[Alan T]

Isn't it anyway of those numbers?


Rules says 2-4 (predetermined number at the start of the game)

[Schmidty]

This is the list I am referring to

bulletsponge
oliegirl
Schmidty
Saldana
PackerFanatic

There's actually a player not here who I suspect might be a spawn, but I will keep that private for now as it is entirely gut feeling. I would like Packerfanatic to switch his vote to Jeheinz with me if he comes online.

Why am I a suspect again? Because I was proven to be a human on day 2, and could have been converted since?

Just checking. I don't really have a defense against that. All I've done since then is defend the water every night. All you have is my word, which means nothing in WW. But, yeah, I am a human.

[Danny]

Because it's theoretically possible for you to be converted since then. Personally, I think you are good.

[Schmidty]

Why am I a suspect again? Because I was proven to be a human on day 2, and could have been converted since?

Just checking. I don't really have a defense against that. All I've done since then is defend the water every night. All you have is my word, which means nothing in WW. But, yeah, I am a human.

Dola.

I'll be waiting for the person or persons that seriously start to push for my lynching before I have a suspect. Not a vengeance thing, just a way to have any idea at all to target someone, since only the Spawn know that I'm good.

[saldana]

Why am I a suspect again? Because I was proven to be a human on day 2, and could have been converted since?

Just checking. I don't really have a defense against that. All I've done since then is defend the water every night. All you have is my word, which means nothing in WW. But, yeah, I am a human.

dont take it personally schmidty..i am on the list too, even though i have none absolutely nothing but be helpful the entire game

[Alan T]

Why am I a suspect again? Because I was proven to be a human on day 2, and could have been converted since?

Just checking. I don't really have a defense against that. All I've done since then is defend the water every night. All you have is my word, which means nothing in WW. But, yeah, I am a human.


In case I am night killed.. the way I view both you and Passacaglia... is you showed an ability which means you were not an original spawned.. Both of you have a possibility of having been converted, but right now it seems to indicate that we have not found any of the original spawn council yet, or at least haven't found the Spawn Queen nor any of the other special spawn roles.. So until we at least lynch the spawn queen plus another roled spawn, it doesn't seem worthwhile even bothering to entertain any suspicions at either of you.

[Schmidty]

dont take it personally schmidty..i am on the list too, even though i have none absolutely nothing but be helpful the entire game

Nah. I don't take it personally. I just have to try to defend myself in anyway I can. My credibility is tenuous, and I understand that. It's pretty tough right now. I'm not sure that any chicanery by even the Spawns is going to work at this point, since clearance for anyone is tough. That's why I said that the ONLY thing I have to go on, is who potentially starts a run on the only person I know 100% is good - me. It's grasping at straws, but it's all I have.

[Danny]

In case I am night killed.. the way I view both you and Passacaglia... is you showed an ability which means you were not an original spawned.. Both of you have a possibility of having been converted, but right now it seems to indicate that we have not found any of the original spawn council yet, or at least haven't found the Spawn Queen nor any of the other special spawn roles.. So until we at least lynch the spawn queen plus another roled spawn, it doesn't seem worthwhile even bothering to entertain any suspicions at either of you.

agreed

[Danny]

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote Jeheinz

Would like to see one or two people switch with me, to at least give this a chance to work.

[saldana]

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote Jeheinz

Would like to see one or two people switch with me, to at least give this a chance to work.
what is the point of this again

[Schmidty]

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote Jeheinz

Would like to see one or two people switch with me, to at least give this a chance to work.

Why? Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure there is a huge chance that olie is a Spawn.

Are you just trying to sow confusion? I just don't get that. Of course, I miss a lot of things, so I'm willing to listen.

[Danny]

Jeheinz thought he might have the gut feeling ability. This way he can see if he does and potentially get a read on someone good or bad. It's not a great move, but could be useful

[Alan T]

Jeheinz mentioned earlier in the day that he doesn't know what his secret role is yet, so thinks he may be the gut feeling.. so Danny is trying to explore that to help him see if that is the case. To do so though, Danny needs 2-3 more people to move to vote for jeheinz. not enough to lynch him but enough to try it out.

[Danny]

Olie is a spawn. I believe Jeheinz to be good, but earlier he suggested a couple people put votes on him to see if he was gut feeling.