LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507)

[The Jackal]

Cap'n, there anyone you specifically want me to heal after security or should I use my own discretion?

[Barkeep49]

BK - can LSG and I research at night?
No.

[Barkeep49]

So proud to have his new overalls and tools, clap skips down to the engine room to join in on repairs.

[Alan T]

Cap'n, there anyone you specifically want me to heal after security or should I use my own discretion?

I would say use your discretion. Path should be able to sleep in the brig again and be healed up tonight. I am hoping bullet will heal you today since I assume you can't heal yourself. So pick whom you think would be the best choice.

[Alan T]

So proud to have his new overalls and tools, clap skips down to the engine room to join in on repairs.


How cute :D

[claphamsa]

I can skip!

WOOT!

[jeheinz72]

How many AP does it take to skip?

[LoneStarGirl]

BK can we research right now? I really need something to do...and nobody is giong on a mission anytime soon it looks like

[Alan T]

BK can we research right now? I really need something to do...and nobody is giong on a mission anytime soon it looks like


If you research now, then you won't be able to go on the away team that we need you for today... We actually really need you and packerfanatic today for these missions which is the reason why I pushed for packer to not be lynched yesterday..

[Barkeep49]

BK can we research right now? I really need something to do...and nobody is giong on a mission anytime soon it looks like
Yes you can research now.

[LoneStarGirl]

oh, got it Alant, one or the other... so we can research after we lift off. That works for me

do we have to wait on telle and co to get online to mission?

[Barkeep49]

How many AP does it take to skip?
Check your PMs. Not everyone has the skipping ability and I don't want to divulge that info publicly.

[path12]

u need a hobby :)

It looks as if he's found one.

[Alan T]

oh, got it Alant, one or the other... so we can research after we lift off. That works for me

do we have to wait on telle and co to get online to mission?

Yeah, Telle and Hoops have to put in their order to lead an away team for which they will choose whom they want to go with them. Once they put that in, you'll automatically go out with them on the mission.

[PurdueBrad]

u need a hobby :)

Claph, those songs take a good three minutes of my life to create!

[path12]

I was trying to not butt my nose into another one of Path's decisions.. but my thought on this is with Hoops being needed to lead an away team today, that we don't scan him and instead scan Marc Vaughn (as having each doctor scan the other early on might be important).. That way we can include Marc in the brig tonight too and protect him... but like I said I kind of wanted to keep my nose out of Path's decision for a second day :)


I do not want to scan anyone who is going out later because it will invalidate the scan with the chance of infection. My choice would be to either scan after the mission or scan somebody else.

[path12]

SO what was schmidty's results on me? beyond of course still being alive so I'm obviously not a full blown spawn?

Orders going in for the day.

Did you get no PM at all about the whole thing?

[Alan T]

Did you get no PM at all about the whole thing?


I didn't get one when you scanned me. I believe only you get one, so in this case we have to wait for Schmidty to get online.. but the fact Render and Schmidty didn't blow up is probably a good sign,

[path12]

I didn't get one when you scanned me. I believe only you get one, so in this case we have to wait for Schmidty to get online.. but the fact Render and Schmidty didn't blow up is probably a good sign,

Cool, I wasn't sure if you got one or not. I guess that does sound like the duplicant then, but we'll wait for Schmidty.

[The Jackal]

Ill wait for the away missions before I use my heal for the day - I'm off for the train. I'll try to keep up as best I can and Ill make sure to get a vote in before my poker game.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops danced all around this in complex ways yesterday.

This is complete bull.

I'll make it easy for you - you post the statement you want me to say for an empath and I'll say it.

Still a long way from caught up, so this may not apply, but this argument is so wrong I felt compelled to post/cross-post/whatever.

[jeheinz72]

Here Schmidty...midty...midty....Here Schmidty...midty...midty...

[mccollins]

BK can we research right now? I really need something to do...and nobody is giong on a mission anytime soon it looks like

DON'T!!!

Away Teams
Each day all officers and the Slave Master may lead an away team and there may be more than 1 away team each day (The Slave Master may only lead an away team made up completely of slaves). A crew member, if asked, must go on away team if they have the action points to do so.
Scientist (1 AP per cycle)

In addition, please stop talking about how you can't do anything. You can help discuss matters and be a part of the process. All I can do is train 1 person per day, but it's important. You go on away missions and increase their odds, it's very important.

[mccollins]

Cap'n, there anyone you specifically want me to heal after security or should I use my own discretion?

Perhaps PackerFanatic before he goes on an away mission.

Full list of Wounded:
Path12 - sleeping well in the brig
Jackal
PackerFanatic
Chubby

[Alan T]

This is complete bull.

I'll make it easy for you - you post the statement you want me to say for an empath and I'll say it.

Still a long way from caught up, so this may not apply, but this argument is so wrong I felt compelled to post/cross-post/whatever.


You're just catching up obviously so you might come to the same conclusion.. If you really want to work with the empath, you should just in the course of normal conversation word things in a way that it is not forced or compelled.. or if you have already done so, just quote it for him to find easier.

[KWhit]

Telle or Hoops -

One of you guys can take a scientist and 3 slaves (my recommendation) and go out on a mining mission.

Still waiting on BK to say that I've completed the planning for the next missions.

[LoneStarGirl]

DON'T!!!




In addition, please stop talking about how you can't do anything. You can help discuss matters and be a part of the process. All I can do is train 1 person per day, but it's important. You go on away missions and increase their odds, it's very important.

yes but I can't go on missions until the people in charge of missions actually get online and request I go with them... so I cannot do anything until I am asked to do so. you can train who you want when you want

[mccollins]

This is complete bull.

I'll make it easy for you - you post the statement you want me to say for an empath and I'll say it.

Still a long way from caught up, so this may not apply, but this argument is so wrong I felt compelled to post/cross-post/whatever.

Call it what you want and maybe it wasn't 'complex', but here's the conversation of posts I was referring to for everyone to decide for themselves:

Last thought of the night - if there is an empath in the game they may be able to go after one of me, Telle, or RendeR tomorrow.

I've got the most posts out of the three of us, so perhaps it is worth considering that as an option instead of scanning me. But if people want to dredge through posts by the three of us, that might give a way to vouch for one person and semi-vouch for another, rather than leaving us in a guessing game between two candidates.

Obviously we can re-evaluate this in the context of the morning news, but I figure this might be a viable strategy that has yet to be discussed.

I'd actually be pretty cool with the empath option, mainly because I don't want hoops the potential spawn eating our seer. But I'm also content to trust path's instincts on this one.

Heh, I almost posted "so I don't take out the seer when he scans me as spawn" in my post there, but then decided someone wouldn't have their sarcasm meters on and it would be more trouble than it was worth. So thanks for opening the door for me to actually post it now.

Also, if the empath wants to scan that statement to show that I'm lying when I say that I'll potentially take out the seer when scanned (I would not, villagers don't hurt the seer when scanned, duh) that would be A-OK with me (if allowed, of course).

[mccollins]

yes but I can't go on missions until the people in charge of missions actually get online and request I go with them... so I cannot do anything until I am asked to do so. you can train who you want when you want

You don't have to PM anything to go on the away mission they'll just take you.

Seriously, the detective work in this game is more important than many of our abilities.

[hoopsguy]

"If I am scanned by Path today, either before or after my away trip, he will survive the experience"

Does that work? It allows for the possibility that I could be infected on the away trip but pretty clearly states that I'm not spawn without using the magic words "I am not spawn"

[LoneStarGirl]

You don't have to PM anything to go on the away mission they'll just take you.

Seriously, the detective work in this game is more important than many of our abilities.

A pm was never mentioned... I know how the missions work, but you implied that I had a lot to contribute when in fact I really dont have anything to contribute until I am asked to go on a mission.

And ask anybody who has played with me previously, my detective work is not so hot

[hoopsguy]

Mccollins, I have a ton of posts in this game. I've been accused of both claiming I'm a villager too much (heinz) and of avoiding the topic of being spawn (you). I'm guessing there would be ample opportunities for someone to find something good in my posts.

If I was afraid of the empath, I probably would not have suggested it as a strategy for today. No one else had for the first 1700 or so posts, so why would I (as a spawn) have any incentive to nudge the villagers in that direction?

[Marc Vaughan]

A bevvy of post-breakfast activity commences. First Tyrith, Purdue, & heinz all being work on repairing the engines. At the same time, mccollins asks Marc Vaughn to accompany him for some training.

Cool :D

Happy to be trained :D

[path12]

As for statements by me I really need to work today so I can't go back and search right now, but I know I've made comments stating my role earlier in the game. I also believe that there have been no spawn spending the night in the brig through last night. That might work.

[hoopsguy]

I'm OK with leading an away mission, if that is what is best for our group today.

Alan, if your PM told you that you trust your officers, then why are you pushing to have two of them exposed to the spawn today?

[PurdueBrad]

Mccollins, I have a ton of posts in this game. I've been accused of both claiming I'm a villager too much (heinz) and of avoiding the topic of being spawn (you). I'm guessing there would be ample opportunities for someone to find something good in my posts.

If I was afraid of the empath, I probably would not have suggested it as a strategy for today. No one else had for the first 1700 or so posts, so why would I (as a spawn) have any incentive to nudge the villagers in that direction?

Hoops, due to your near lynch yesterday, you shared your trust/distrust list. How has it changed in light of those of us that did/did not vote for you and given everything you've just caught up on?

The only reason I ask is that you put out a fairly extensive list compared to the basic feelings that others threw out or hinted at.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm OK with leading an away mission, if that is what is best for our group today.

Alan, if your PM told you that you trust your officers, then why are you pushing to have two of them exposed to the spawn today?

I think he clarifies later and said that it points to one officer but I may be wrong.

[path12]

A pm was never mentioned... I know how the missions work, but you implied that I had a lot to contribute when in fact I really dont have anything to contribute until I am asked to go on a mission.

And ask anybody who has played with me previously, my detective work is not so hot

LSG can be rather impatient. I love that about her.

[Marc Vaughan]

hoopsguy
Heh, I almost posted "so I don't take out the seer when he scans me as spawn" in my post there, but then decided someone wouldn't have their sarcasm meters on and it would be more trouble than it was worth. So thanks for opening the door for me to actually post it now.

Also, if the empath wants to scan that statement to show that I'm lying when I say that I'll potentially take out the seer when scanned (I would not, villagers don't hurt the seer when scanned, duh) that would be A-OK with me (if allowed, of course).

No point scanning that statement as it proves only whether you believed peoples sarcasm meters were set high or not ... nothing else.

(which in itself makes me suspicious of you ... or is that paranoid? ;) )

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I was " lurking around various parts of the ship through-out the night." while following another player.

I don't know of any reason that person should have been in a position to be moving about various parts of the ship, but I'll start looking at private roles to see if something matches up with it.

[Alan T]

I'm OK with leading an away mission, if that is what is best for our group today.

Alan, if your PM told you that you trust your officers, then why are you pushing to have two of them exposed to the spawn today?

You might not have caught up to it, but there was further discussion later regarding that where I clarified my PM stated (paraphrasing here), that I feel trust from someone among the officers... Thats it though, so don't know who. It might be kwhit or render which doesn't help me much since I already believe they are ok.. or it might be you or Telle which would help me more.. I said I didn't really want to see a lynch of any of the officers today (but of course I dont want to see a lynch at all today) because of it..

That is completely seperate from the away mission.. We -have- to have the away missions.. and officers have to lead them. I had hoped our second ensign would be trained by now to lead the second team, but he wasn't.. So I hope you are up to the task today.

If/when you do come up good from the empath or doctors or whatnot, I am sure we will find your interrogation invaluable once we get into space

[KWhit]

I think he clarifies later and said that it points to one officer but I may be wrong.

That's right.

It sounds to me like an absolute trust type of message - and from Alan's post earlier, that would indicate that one of the officers is in the trust with him.

[hoopsguy]

No point scanning that statement as it proves only whether you believed peoples sarcasm meters were set high or not ... nothing else.

(which in itself makes me suspicious of you ... or is that paranoid? ;) )

Check Post #1920 and see if that works for you. No mentions of sarcasm meters to be found.

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG can be rather impatient. I love that about her.

Path is one of my favorites :D

[Marc Vaughan]

I was trying to not butt my nose into another one of Path's decisions.. but my thought on this is with Hoops being needed to lead an away team today, that we don't scan him and instead scan Marc Vaughn (as having each doctor scan the other early on might be important).. That way we can include Marc in the brig tonight too and protect him... but like I said I kind of wanted to keep my nose out of Path's decision for a second day :)

I like the idea of being nice and protected ... so count me in for being scanned if possible.

[Marc Vaughan]

Check Post #1920 and see if that works for you. No mentions of sarcasm meters to be found.

Just being paranoid - but if you're both spawn wouldn't you both survive anyway?

(bear in mind that I'm a newbie to this game and the overlying tone of paranoia in it is having me rotating wildly in circles)

[KWhit]

"If I am scanned by Path today, either before or after my away trip, he will survive the experience"

Does that work? It allows for the possibility that I could be infected on the away trip but pretty clearly states that I'm not spawn without using the magic words "I am not spawn"

Actually, I'd rather these checks happen during the night phase so we can see if people are the Unaware Spawn or not.


Unaware Spawn During the day, is unaware of being a Spawn (and may not communicate with other Spawn), but will not seem to be a Spawn when tested by other players. At night, assumes normal Spawn powers.


So the only real way to clear someone is to have them make a statement during the night phase and test it then.

Is that possible?

[hoopsguy]

Just being paranoid - but if you're both spawn wouldn't you both survive anyway?

(bear in mind that I'm a newbie to this game and the overlying tone of paranoia in it is having me rotating wildly in circles)

I can't speak to that - I have no idea if Path is or is not a Spawn.

You can test that as well - if I am a Spawn then I would likely have knowledge of the Spawn. Almost certainly if I was a starting spawn, since the Spawn Council know of each other (right?). I personally think the statement I gave you is the best one, but it is your call. I'm sure I'll inadvertantly throw other stuff out as I'm making arguments.

[KWhit]

"If I am scanned by Path today, either before or after my away trip, he will survive the experience"

Does that work? It allows for the possibility that I could be infected on the away trip but pretty clearly states that I'm not spawn without using the magic words "I am not spawn"

I'm not sure how that would work. Let's say that you're clean now but you go out on the away trip and are infected. How would the result of MV 's empathing this statement come back? True? False?

What if he did it later after you were infected. Would it show false? Or would it be true because you believed it to be true at the time?

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'm a little concerned about going on an away mission and then being cleared by the Empath. I'll do what is good for the team, but if I go on the away mission and then am scanned by a doctor then I 100% get to stay on the human side. If I go on the away mission and then am scanned by the empath then I could be a spawnling, believe it when I say I'm human (because I wouldn't know) and end up biting us later in the game based on perceived trust.

[KWhit]

And I am not sure what the problem is game-wise of just saying "I am not spawn". Haven't people done that in the past? What is the thinking behind avoiding that?

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, sounds like we are on the same page.

I'm fine going on the away mission, but if I'm going I would prefer that any clearance today come from the doc and not the empath.

I would prefer that the empath targets someone who stays on the ship today.

I'm fine being scanned or not being scanned - whatever people prefer. I just want to make sure we are smart about it, whichever direction we take.

[PurdueBrad]

KWhit, I agree, although with the spawnling possibility wouldn't the statement "I have not been infected" work even better?

[Alan T]

And I am not sure what the problem is game-wise of just saying "I am not spawn". Haven't people done that in the past? What is the thinking behind avoiding that?


Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

[KWhit]

KWhit, I agree, although with the spawnling possibility wouldn't the statement "I have not been infected" work even better?

I suppose so, although you can be infected without knowing it, I believe.

[PurdueBrad]

Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

Ahhhh, makes sense.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm heading out to see Wall*E so I'll be back in a while. Good luck if you guys go on missions.

[KWhit]

Well I guess the call is Barkeep's if he will allow that.. but I personally think that is a little too "gamey" and in the past at least recently most GMs have not allowed that type of thing (forced or comeplled statements) for an empath.

Heh. I was thinking the other way around. I know that if this were happening in real life and I had the chance to read one person's mind once per day, I'd walk up to every one and ask them to say a very clear statement that would tell me what I needed to know. I'd only really read the truth behind the statement once, but I'd want every person to say it. If the person didn't do it, my suspicion of them would go up big time.

So it feels game-y to me to tip-toe around that.


BUT, I think the better argument is for game balance purposes later on. If you have everyone saying "I am not spawn" you could balance things against the spawn pretty badly late-game if the empath happens to stay alive that long.

[KWhit]

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

[KWhit]

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

(After the away missions, I'd assume)..

[Passacaglia]

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

I was just about to suggest that path scan someone wounded or exhausted, since if cleared, we'll put them in the brig with the comfy, comfy beds.

[KWhit]

I sent in my request to BK to plan 2 more mining away missions, so we'll have 3 ready for today.

Saldana, if you show up, you can take the slaves out again. Hoops, Telle, you guys should be good to go as well.

[path12]

Path, who are you looking to scan today?

(After the away missions, I'd assume)..

Not quite sure yet. I see benefits to both a future doctor and hoops. I'm kind of waiting to make a decision after seeing how the day develops, now that I've decided to wait until after missions.

[path12]

I was just about to suggest that path scan someone wounded or exhausted, since if cleared, we'll put them in the brig with the comfy, comfy beds.


I don't know how comfy. Alan snores.

[Alan T]

I don't know how comfy. Alan snores.


Just poke me and I'll stop.. That is what my wife does at least

[Passacaglia]

mccollins might be a good option -- trainer is a pretty important position, since he's deciding who our new doctor will be.

[KWhit]

Just poke me and I'll stop.. That is what my wife does at least

Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

[hoopsguy]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

[mccollins]

PackerFanatic (6) - (1090), Tyrith (1129), saldana (1136), Marc Vaughan (1153), The Jackal (1201), Schmidty (1371), Olie (1410)
hoopsguy (5) - jeheniz72 (1219), path (1414), KWhit (1431), Danny (1434), Purdue (1444)

in all my games of werewolf, i dont think i have ever seen a run on a player in that short of span unless it was supported by a positive seer scan...especially a player of hoops' reputation.


Note to self. I agree this was a crazy run.

[mccollins]

"If I am scanned by Path today, either before or after my away trip, he will survive the experience"

Does that work? It allows for the possibility that I could be infected on the away trip but pretty clearly states that I'm not spawn without using the magic words "I am not spawn"

The empath finds out if you believe the statement to be true in the opinion of the GM.

There's no way you know whether or not you'll be infected on the away mission.

FWIW.

[jeheinz72]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

Hoops, so are you saying you saw Telle out and about last night while you were out lurking about?

[Passacaglia]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

I thought YOU were the one on the move last night.

[Alan T]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.


If we are going to be forced down a you vs Telle voting path today like it seems you are setting up, I would rather the away missions get going ASAP for both you and Telle, as the performance of those missions are going to probably influence me to which of you two I will vote for (if I feel I have to vote and can't settle with no lynch which is my preference)...

Since each away team is you, a scientist and slaves, there is very little room for it to fail badly without having implications to you and Telle.

Since you are here now Hoops, it seems you get first shot to which scientist you want to pick to go on your trip even.

[KWhit]

OK, I've looked at the private roles and can't find something that clearly explains why Telle would have been on the move last night. So I would like an explanation on this point.

Also, if people want to extend some level of trust to my line of questioning, I would like to see this answered before she goes off on an away mission.

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).

[KWhit]

And here's Telle.

[Alan T]

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).


He said yesterday that he wasn't going to be guarding any of the rooms and asked the security guards to as he was going after "Viper" or something along those lines.

[KWhit]

He said yesterday that he wasn't going to be guarding any of the rooms and asked the security guards to as he was going after "Viper" or something along those lines.

Yeah, I remember that - some Top Gun reference, I think.

[claphamsa]

If we are going to be forced down a you vs Telle voting path today like it seems you are setting up, I would rather the away missions get going ASAP for both you and Telle, as the performance of those missions are going to probably influence me to which of you two I will vote for (if I feel I have to vote and can't settle with no lynch which is my preference)...

Since each away team is you, a scientist and slaves, there is very little room for it to fail badly without having implications to you and Telle.

Since you are here now Hoops, it seems you get first shot to which scientist you want to pick to go on your trip even.

isnt it partly random?

[claphamsa]

And here's Telle.


i bet shes only 15 pages behind!

[Alan T]

isnt it partly random?


Not completely.

The success of an away team is dependent on:
*Whether the mission was planned by the First Officer or was unplanned
*The number of survivor crew present (non scientists)
*The number of scientists
*The number of evolved spawn on an away team(more spawn equals less success)

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, so are you saying you saw Telle out and about last night while you were out lurking about?

Yes, I followed her. I'm trying to understand why she was roaming about rooms. I'll be curious to see what her answer is to this question.

I thought YOU were the one on the move last night.

I was following Telle.

So you followed Telle around last night? Did you state you were doing that earlier in the thread anywhere? (Just curious as to the timing of everything).

I posted last night that I wanted to hunt Spawn and asked other security folks to put in guard orders.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.

[KWhit]

After the commotion of last night, the mere howling of the wind on the ship’s hull is a bit of a relief. A very big bit of relief, actually. Those who hear the howling all night long include Purdue, Danny, jeheinz, & Tyrith who are seen working hard on the Cargo hold. They are protected by Schmidty. Meanwhile, Pass & Mrs. Schmidty protect the Security HQ and Saldana protects the Slave Pens. Hoops is seen lurking around various parts of the ship through-out the night. All in all the fact that you are, still, all there come breakfast time buoys the ship’s spirit.

Room Reports
Engine Room – Damaged 9 man cycles to repair
Water Plant – Damaged (Non Operational) 6 cycles to repair
Cargo Hold - Operational (Undamaged) (Maximum Capacity: 125 units)
Water Supply – 64 units (Enough reserves for a little less than 4 days at current consumption)
Crystilium Supply – 16 units (at least 75 required)
Security Headquarters Operational (Undamaged)
Brig –
Weapons Locker – 3 unspent phasers (2 spent)
Slave Pens – Operational (Undamaged)
Sleeping Quarters – Damaged. 18 berths requiring repair (enough berths for 5 people to sleep)

The Crew

Command Staff
Captain - Alan T
First Officer – Kwhit
Second Officer - Render
Security Chief - Hoopsguy Exhuasted
Ensign – Telle Exhuasted

Chief Engineer - Tyrith Exhuasted

Engineers
PurdueBrad Exhuasted
Danny Exhuasted
JeHeinz72 Exhuasted
Claphamsa


Trainer – mccollins Exhuasted

Medical Staff
Doctor - path12 Wounded
Medic - The Jackal Wounded
Medic - bulletsponge Exhuasted

Security Staff
Sergeant at Arms - oliegirl Exhuasted
Warden - Passacagalia Exhuasted
Galley Master - Schmidty Exhuasted
Slavemaster – Saldana Exhuasted
Security Crewman - Mrs. Schmidty Exhuasted

Scientists

LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic Wounded

Privates

Marc Vaughn Exhuasted
Chubby Wounded


The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK's post:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle
mccollins
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn


Do we know what any of these guys did last night (I easily could have missed something)

[hoopsguy]

2nd straight night for Bullet.

[mccollins]

The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK's post:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle
mccollins
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn


Do we know what any of these guys did last night (I easily could have missed something)

No bed for me to sleep in :(

[mccollins]

mccollins might be a good option -- trainer is a pretty important position, since he's deciding who our new doctor will be.

FWIW, I know I won't blow him up ;)

[Alan T]

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.


I have no problem with her answering for why she was out last night, or denying that she was out. If she denies it, then I am pretty sure today there will be a lynch despite what I personally ask for.. and the big question will be who to lynch you or her..

If the crew picks poorly, then we lose two officers as I am sure the other one will be next to go. By sending both of you out on away teams as planned, we accomplish two goals.. the more important goal of gathering the crystals we need and the secondary goal of seeing which performs worse to give an idea of which of you two to believe.

I am a bit concerned with what I feel to be stalling tactics from you to avoid the away mission.. THe spawn obviously don't want us to do 3 crystal runs today and will try to stop it... Since the only people left who can do runs are me, you, Telle and Saldana... I think we have to send you and Telle both out on away missions even though one of you may be spawn.

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

[PurdueBrad]

(waiting for the wife to get ready...)

If you look at the number of non-exhausted people though, we have 9. We had 9 available beds (4 in the sec. HQ and 5 in the sleeping room), the standard answer will be "couldn't find a bed."

[KWhit]

Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn. So I'm going to continue to pursue that agenda, with my posts and with my actions.

You are double-cleared at this point (doc + empath) so I'm not suggesting you are a bad guy here. But I disagree with your strategy of not voting for people until we get in the air. Based on the first two days of voting, it seems like we'll have to catch a spawn in the act to get you engaged, and your word carries a lot of weight around here.

So, I'm asking you nicely - let me play this out with Telle. Don't have her go on her away mission until we talk through her actions last night. We can all then assess what we want to do with our away missions. But I don't think we want to send a likely spawn out on an away mission when we can send someone who has a good chance of being human.

I think it's a great idea to send you both out on away missions before we do much else today. The added spotlight of suspicion will make it less likely that either one of you will sabotage the mission, IMO.

And we NEED both of you to go out today - almost especially because you guys could be spawn. We don't want to infect me or Alan since we're cleared (and render may be cleared as well, since he was scanned this morning. You and Telle (and Saldana) are really our only choices for the away teams today.

[hoopsguy]

No bed for me to sleep in :(

Did this involve you roaming about?

[PurdueBrad]

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

Yeah, I think we get the most/best available information from the mining missions of Hoops and Telle. And frankly, I will likely put my vote on whoever has the least successful mission (even though I was on Hoops yesterday although I'm slightly curious by Telle's night actions as well). So please Hoops and Telle, take on the mission and continue the discussion simultaneously as I want off this rock.

[Marc Vaughan]

Heh. I was thinking the other way around. I know that if this were happening in real life and I had the chance to read one person's mind once per day, I'd walk up to every one and ask them to say a very clear statement that would tell me what I needed to know. I'd only really read the truth behind the statement once, but I'd want every person to say it. If the person didn't do it, my suspicion of them would go up big time.

So it feels game-y to me to tip-toe around that.

That was my thought - which was leading to real paranoia in me when I suggested it a couple of times yesterday and had no takers (ie. is it one human and 20 odd spawn in this match ;) ).

[mccollins]

Did this involve you roaming about?

My PM (the first one I've gotten since my start of game PM) just said that there were no beds, I was angry about it, but the fact remained there was no bed for me.

Paraphrased of course....

[hoopsguy]

I have no problem with her answering for why she was out last night, or denying that she was out. If she denies it, then I am pretty sure today there will be a lynch despite what I personally ask for.. and the big question will be who to lynch you or her..

If the crew picks poorly, then we lose two officers as I am sure the other one will be next to go. By sending both of you out on away teams as planned, we accomplish two goals.. the more important goal of gathering the crystals we need and the secondary goal of seeing which performs worse to give an idea of which of you two to believe.

I am a bit concerned with what I feel to be stalling tactics from you to avoid the away mission.. THe spawn obviously don't want us to do 3 crystal runs today and will try to stop it... Since the only people left who can do runs are me, you, Telle and Saldana... I think we have to send you and Telle both out on away missions even though one of you may be spawn.

It doesn't cost us anything (since no one else can go anyways today), and it helps us with more data for a possible vote today.

I would rather see you sent out on a mission than someone who is a Spawn. Particularly if the Miracle Worker could emerge to protect you. If that was the case, we could load up the mission with people and try to hit the jackpot on that mission.

I'll put my order in now on the mission, but in doing so I think I become a less attractive target for the empath today. If I'm to be scanned today - and I'm not demanding it, mind you - I would strongly prefer it be by the doc so he can extract the spawnling in the event I am infected.

[Tyrith]

Well, we really need the missions to happen and then the scan to happen ASAP so we don't spend hours talking about stuff that may or may not be actually relevant. Hours in the day are an asset, too, and I'd like to get us moving in the most productive direction as quickly as possible.

[mccollins]

If you really want to go down the idea that one of the officers must be a spawn theory, obviously Telle makes the most sense to vote as she has the same percentage as the others, plus the added risk of being off of the ship at risk of infection twice.. Hoops didn't even go that path with his logic, instead he went after the person whom he had to gain if they died (to move up the ladder)...


Still trying to catch up in spare minutes during the day, but the bolded above stuck out in my mind in the midst of hoops' math posts.

[PurdueBrad]

If I'm to be scanned today - and I'm not demanding it, mind you - I would strongly prefer it be by the doc so he can extract the spawnling in the event I am infected.

I could see this as a decent condition after the mission, particularly since we have a second doc being trained (if I've read along right). I also like the idea of sending Hoops out, risking him being infected one more time, possibly getting him healed/cured if he hasn't evolved and moving on from there. I do feel our missions right now are of prime importance as the engine will be fixed overnight.

[Passacaglia]

(waiting for the wife to get ready...)

If you look at the number of non-exhausted people though, we have 9. We had 9 available beds (4 in the sec. HQ and 5 in the sleeping room), the standard answer will be "couldn't find a bed."

I only put three people in the brig.

[saldana]

sorry i have been getting killed at work today, no way i am gonna be able to catch up before tonight...can someone tell me if i should be running the 5 slave away mission and what role (mining i assume) so i can get my order in

[KWhit]

Marc,

What did you do last night?

[Tyrith]

Plus if we're training a second doctor and hoops is bad and shreds path, we have a spare doctor....

...who we could never clear. Which would give us a world of new problems.

[hoopsguy]

Order submitted.

Still waiting for Telle's explanation. Still think it is a mistake to send her out until we have the explanation.

[KWhit]

Yes, Saldana, do the mission with 4 slaves - mining.

[Alan T]

sorry i have been getting killed at work today, no way i am gonna be able to catch up before tonight...can someone tell me if i should be running the 5 slave away mission and what role (mining i assume) so i can get my order in


Yes Saldana, please go out with 4 slaves on a planned mining mission (using one of kwhit's planned missions from today)

[Passacaglia]

I only put three people in the brig.

That means of these 6 people who aren't exhausted, there were only 5 beds:

RendeR
claphamsa
The Jackal
LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic
Chubby

Could one of them be the spawn that does not get exhausted?

[KWhit]

Order submitted.

Still waiting for Telle's explanation. Still think it is a mistake to send her out until we have the explanation.

I don't. I think you both have pressure on yourselves to perform the mission to the best of your abilities today.

[path12]

The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK's post:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle
mccollins
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn


Do we know what any of these guys did last night (I easily could have missed something)

I know Marc asked about night orders and I suggested he go somewhere to hang out since there were likely no beds left by that time. With only 5 there were going to be some folks going without.

[mccollins]

Well, we really need the missions to happen and then the scan to happen ASAP so we don't spend hours talking about stuff that may or may not be actually relevant. Hours in the day are an asset, too, and I'd like to get us moving in the most productive direction as quickly as possible.
:+1:

Where's the plus 100 button?

[KWhit]

That means of these 6 people who aren't exhausted, there were only 5 beds:

RendeR
claphamsa
The Jackal
LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic
Chubby

Could one of them be the spawn that does not get exhausted?

And also:

Exhaustion can be healed after one night of undisturbed rest. Undisturbed rest is defined as not taking an action. Spawn who attack have a small chance of becoming exhausted (which is increased any time there is a Spawnling attack, especially for those who performed the attack).


So a spawn may do something and not become exhausted.

[Barkeep49]

And I am not sure what the problem is game-wise of just saying "I am not spawn". Haven't people done that in the past? What is the thinking behind avoiding that?
I allowed such statements in the first game, but after that. There are plenty of ways, as hoops has shown, to have statements that make sense with-in game play and are also useful empath scans short of say "I am not a spawn."

[jeheinz72]

Plus if we're training a second doctor and hoops is bad and shreds path, we have a spare doctor....

...who we could never clear. Which would give us a world of new problems.

I think this is a good point. I think path should steer clear of scanning someone we actually think is Spawn. If we lose him now, with the duplicant seemingly used, we'd be fubar'd as far as adding to the CoT (well, I guess we could wrangle up a THIRD doc, but you get my point).

I think if Schmidty's scan on RendeR comes back clean I'm voting hoops. At least I'm leaning that way if that is the only new scan information.

[path12]

If I'm to be scanned today - and I'm not demanding it, mind you - I would strongly prefer it be by the doc so he can extract the spawnling in the event I am infected.

I agree with this. I'd rather the empath find one of my comments to scan which should suffice for now. Then I can decide whether or not to scan hoops or not after the mission.

[KWhit]

I allowed such statements in the first game, but after that. There are plenty of ways, as hoops has shown, to have statements that make sense with-in game play and are also useful empath scans short of say "I am not a spawn."


I thought the controversy in the first game was something like if the empath said "Hoops is not spawn", and then tested that statement. In other words was testing the truth of something that the speaker himself didn't know.

But no matter. The way we're playing it in this game is just fine and works for me.

[Barkeep49]

Kwhit spends time in his office figuring out two good places to mine for Crystillium

[Marc Vaughan]

Marc,

What did you do last night?

I tried to roam about but accidentally posted the order vaguely (roam/guard a particular area) so ended up just doing nowt apart from sleep badly.

[Barkeep49]

saldana, being quite careful with the security measure on the Slave Pen takes 4 slaves with him on a mining away mission.

[Telle]

Order submitted.

Still waiting for Telle's explanation. Still think it is a mistake to send her out until we have the explanation.

Just caught up. Which scientist did you take?

I posted in thread that I would forgo sleep because I was not already exhausted or wounded and thus there were others needing beds. So it appears that I wandered the ship a bit to kill time overnight.

[hoopsguy]

My initial order was "I'll go on the mission". I'm putting in the scientist now.

I'll take LSG + 3 slaves - mine Crys.

[hoopsguy]

Just caught up. Which scientist did you take?

I posted in thread that I would forgo sleep because I was not already exhausted or wounded and thus there were others needing beds. So it appears that I wandered the ship a bit to kill time overnight.

I'm perplexed by your actions while you were wandering the ship. You appeared to be concentrating at different points ... that doesn't sound like "killing time" to me.

[KWhit]

The following people are exhausted today with no clear explanation above from BK:

Hoops - Claims he followed Telle (unverified)
Telle - Just wondered around (no bed)
mccollins - no bed to sleep in
bulletsponge
Marc Vaughn - just farted around (unclear order sent to BK)

[Telle]

I'm perplexed by your actions while you were wandering the ship. You appeared to be concentrating at different points ... that doesn't sound like "killing time" to me.

Maybe what you took to be "concentrating" was me nodding off :)

[hoopsguy]

It is awesome how many people are constructing scenarios to vote for me so far today.

[hoopsguy]

Maybe what you took to be "concentrating" was me nodding off :)

Maybe, or maybe not.

VOTE TELLE

[Barkeep49]

As the crew waits for the first away mission to finish, hoopsguy take a team out, accompanied by LSG and 3 slaves to also mine Crystillium.

[jeheinz72]

Man I wish Schmidty was around so I could just drop down this vote.

[hoopsguy]

For the record, most of the night Telle was wandering around the ship, but at one point she stopped, at another point she seemed to be looking for something, and was definitely concentrating at other points.

This doesn't sound like hunting for a bed or wandering aimlessly to me. It sounds like a vague PM of someone performing a night action.

So, want to try another explanation?

[KWhit]

You went from this:


Alan, I'm not necessarily going to turn it into "me vs Telle" but I continue to be interested in catching Spawn.



To this pretty quickly:


VOTE TELLE

[jeheinz72]

Question on infection.

If Telle gets infected on her mission today, she's Spawnling, and curable, yes?

If she got infected yesterday is she Spawn or Spawnling?

I presume if she got infected on the first one, she's Spawn already.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, right after getting a BS explanation.

[Tyrith]

Yeah, because that's when Telle responded and responded very vaguely...to be honest I'm about half a thought from following his vote right now, as it already squares with my default course of action for the day anyway.

[hoopsguy]

Question on infection.

If Telle gets infected on her mission today, she's Spawnling, and curable, yes?

If she got infected yesterday is she Spawn or Spawnling?

I presume if she got infected on the first one, she's Spawn already.

Yes.
Spawn.
Yes.

[Telle]

For the record, most of the night Telle was wandering around the ship, but at one point she stopped, at another point she seemed to be looking for something, and was definitely concentrating at other points.

This doesn't sound like hunting for a bed or wandering aimlessly to me. It sounds like a vague PM of someone performing a night action.

So, want to try another explanation?

That seriously makes no sense to me. I know I wasn't hunting for a bed because I specifically told Barkeep that I would stay up so that others could rest. I did ask to hang out in the engine room because I thought others would be there who could then verify, but I wasn't sure if I could actually request where I spend the night. So it seems that instead I just roamed the halls.

[KWhit]

Question on infection.

If Telle gets infected on her mission today, she's Spawnling, and curable, yes?

Yes.

If she got infected yesterday is she Spawn or Spawnling?

She'd be Spawn.

I presume if she got infected on the first one, she's Spawn already.

Yes.

[Barkeep49]

There is a huge smile on saldana's as he leads back his motley crew. He knows that unlike last time that this time they did a good job, no they did an excellent job, very few teams could have done better. They worked hard, they worked efficiently... and yet... and yet there was still not a ton of Crystillium to be had. Still 33 more units are added to the Cargo Hold.

[Alan T]

Yeah, because that's when Telle responded and responded very vaguely...to be honest I'm about half a thought from following his vote right now, as it already squares with my default course of action for the day anyway.


I still think no lynch is the best bet.. but if I am going to vote, I'll wait till after I see the results of the away teams

[KWhit]

I think I'd like to see how Hoops and Telle perform on their away missions before I make any decision.

I suggest you both try your hardest to succeed in your missions today.

[jeheinz72]

Yes.
Spawn.
Yes.

For the middle one, when would she have gone from Spawnling to Spawn, first thing this morning?

I guess what I'm saying is, working backwards if she acted Spawny last night, is it from her first mission or either the 1st or 2nd.

[Alan T]

There is a huge smile on saldana's as he leads back his motley crew. He knows that unlike last time that this time they did a good job, no they did an excellent job, very few teams could have done better. They worked hard, they worked efficiently... and yet... and yet there was still not a ton of Crystillium to be had. Still 33 more units are added to the Cargo Hold.


Very nice work Sal!

[KWhit]

There is a huge smile on saldana's as he leads back his motley crew. He knows that unlike last time that this time they did a good job, no they did an excellent job, very few teams could have done better. They worked hard, they worked efficiently... and yet... and yet there was still not a ton of Crystillium to be had. Still 33 more units are added to the Cargo Hold.

Yay, Saldana.

That seems really good with a bunch of stiffs and no scientist.

[hoopsguy]

Jumping in a meeting now. Will answer questions when I get back.

But Telle's account of her actions does not compute with the PM I got. If others want to try and create some middle ground, go for it.

[Telle]

Btw, who got the planned missions? They have a better success chance than unplanned.

[jeheinz72]

Awesome saldana.

[KWhit]

For the middle one, when would she have gone from Spawnling to Spawn, first thing this morning?

I guess what I'm saying is, working backwards if she acted Spawny last night, is it from her first mission or either the 1st or 2nd.

It would have to be from her 1st (or she was a spawn from the start).

[KWhit]

Btw, who got the planned missions? They have a better success chance than unplanned.

All 3 are planned.

[jeheinz72]

Btw, who got the planned missions? They have a better success chance than unplanned.

I think all 3 were planned (1 from yesterday and 2 from today)

[Alan T]

Btw, who got the planned missions? They have a better success chance than unplanned.

You and Hoops and saldana should all have planned missions. Just to be safe make sure to request to lead a planned away mining mission even though I am not sure that is necessary.

[mccollins]

I posted in thread that I would forgo sleep because I was not already exhausted or wounded and thus there were others needing beds. So it appears that I wandered the ship a bit to kill time overnight.

That seriously makes no sense to me. I know I wasn't hunting for a bed because I specifically told Barkeep that I would stay up so that others could rest. I did ask to hang out in the engine room because I thought others would be there who could then verify, but I wasn't sure if I could actually request where I spend the night. So it seems that instead I just roamed the halls.

So.. you told Barkeep .. in the thread?

[Telle]

Btw, who got the planned missions? They have a better success chance than unplanned.

Oh wait.. nevermind. They were all planned because we had one leftover planned one from yesterday, right?

[Telle]

So.. you told Barkeep .. in the thread?

No it was both in my thread message and in my pm to barkeep.

[mccollins]

There is a huge smile on saldana's as he leads back his motley crew. He knows that unlike last time that this time they did a good job, no they did an excellent job, very few teams could have done better. They worked hard, they worked efficiently... and yet... and yet there was still not a ton of Crystillium to be had. Still 33 more units are added to the Cargo Hold.

Holy crap!! 33! Sweet!
That makes 49 total!

[Barkeep49]

The crew is still processing the last away team's haul when hoopsguy and his crew come back. Where there was smiles last time there are none this time. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong, from getting momentarily lost, to having some equipment break on them. Only 9 more units get added to the Cargo Hold.

[jeheinz72]

That's not a good sign.

[Alan T]

Ok Telle, bring us back 30+ you can do it! :)

[jeheinz72]

We have 58. Let's hope Telle can rock the mission, then we should be up over 80.

[KWhit]

PackerFan,

I think you said earlier that it only took 1 crys to recharge a phaser. Is that confirmed? We'll want to gather some extra for the trip home, but I'm wondering how much extra we might need.

[mccollins]

The crew is still processing the last away team's haul when hoopsguy and his crew come back. Where there was smiles last time there are none this time. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong, from getting momentarily lost, to having some equipment break on them. Only 9 more units get added to the Cargo Hold.

No comment from me on the level of success yet ;)
58 total crys.

[Alan T]

PackerFan,

I think you said earlier that it only took 1 crys to recharge a phaser. Is that confirmed? We'll want to gather some extra for the trip home, but I'm wondering how much extra we might need.

Regardless of how much extra we might need, one thing I learned last spawn game is we don't need to waste extra time on this planet if we don't have to.. So if it won't hurt much for an extra team or something first thing tommorrow then we can get a buffer.. but if everything is repaired, we have a bit extra we should get the hell out of here

[Barkeep49]

Before disappointment can set in too much Telle has an away team gear up. Accompanying here are Packerfanatic and three slaves.

[Alan T]

BK, which mission did LSG go on and which did packer go on? You have her listed for both

[Tyrith]

PackerFan,

I think you said earlier that it only took 1 crys to recharge a phaser. Is that confirmed? We'll want to gather some extra for the trip home, but I'm wondering how much extra we might need.

I would guess something like 10 at least in case of leakage. Remember, if we don't have 75 crys when we kill all the spawn we still lose; we don't want to get hosed by having just a few leak out.

[Barkeep49]

BK, which mission did LSG go on and which did packer go on? You have her listed for both
Fixed

[Telle]

Before disappointment can set in too much Telle has an away team gear up. Accompanying here are Packerfanatic and three slaves.

Umm.. hoops took LSG. I'm taking PackerFanatic.

[jeheinz72]

Regarding the extra Crys, we take off immediately right? So theoretically we can just knock those missions out first thing tomorrow, and assuming repairs go smoothly we'll zap outta here right quick

[mccollins]

I'm fully caught up (and now have a meeting!)! Here is one linger question that I had, but I don't know how important it really is:

(waiting for the wife to get ready...)

If you look at the number of non-exhausted people though, we have 9. We had 9 available beds (4 in the sec. HQ and 5 in the sleeping room), the standard answer will be "couldn't find a bed."

BK: How are beds prioritized if people don't PM night actions of sleeping.

[KWhit]

We'll have to figure out our water situation too, and decide how much water we need to bring. We may or may not need to go search for some.

[Barkeep49]

I'm fully caught up (and now have a meeting!)! Here is one linger question that I had, but I don't know how important it really is:



BK: How are beds prioritized if people don't PM night actions of sleeping.
Randomly

[Tyrith]

We'll have to figure out our water situation too, and decide how much water we need to bring. We may or may not need to go search for some.

We probably won't use up what we have before we leave -- we still have three days left. We'll have enough to keep the hold full of whatever space we don't use for crys, I suspect.

[Alan T]

We'll have to figure out our water situation too, and decide how much water we need to bring. We may or may not need to go search for some.

Once in space the engines can't be damaged the rules say, I'm not sure off the top of my head if other places can or can't be.. but I'm guessing the water tank is next on the repair list for tommorrow if nothing gets blown up tonight.

[Barkeep49]

The last group comes back with 16 more units of Crystillium.

[PackerFanatic]

Yes, it is confirmed that it takes 1 crys to repair a phaser. LSG and I still have to research the technique, and then I assume there is always the chance of failure when doing it.

[jeheinz72]

Gah, seriously, 74?

Well, that settles that, we'll need a mission tomorrow. Which at leaves saves us a convo on if we need it.

[Telle]

The last group comes back with 16 more units of Crystillium.

Well not as stellar as my exploring missions, but still better than hoops did.

[PackerFanatic]

So we have 74 now?! Boo earns!

[Tyrith]

Well, now it's up to path to do whatever it is he's going to do. The sooner the better. Leaning very, very strongly towards voting for Telle right now.

[jeheinz72]

Well, now it's up to path to do whatever it is he's going to do. The sooner the better. Leaning very, very strongly towards voting for Telle right now.

Why Telle over hoops?

[Alan T]

Well, now it's up to path to do whatever it is he's going to do. The sooner the better. Leaning very, very strongly towards voting for Telle right now.


If I was Path, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Hoops right now for scanning purposes.

[Alan T]

One other thing to keep in mind, that exploration missions have a diminishing effects as you go on.. so Saldana's mission had the most benefit from yesterday's successful exploration mission. Hoopsguy had the second most benefit and Telle had the least benefit if any from it.

[KWhit]

So we repair the engines, send out 1 away team to get crys and then get the hell off this rock.

[KWhit]

One other thing to keep in mind, that exploration missions have a diminishing effects as you go on.. so Saldana's mission had the most benefit from yesterday's successful exploration mission. Hoopsguy had the second most benefit and Telle had the least benefit if any from it.

Yes. And one must factor in the scientists' performance as well.

[Tyrith]

Why Telle over hoops?

Probability, and hoops explanation for last night makes far, far more sense to me than Telle's given the roles we know about and what we got in the Day 3 post. I understand the idea for voting for hoops -- he struck me very poorly yesterday, too. However, Telle has been outside more, her explanation for last night sounds really bogus, and if we lynch her and she's good I feel like it gives us a lot more options.

It'd make life a lot easier for today if we scanned hoops...but darnit, there's like a 1 in 5 chance he just eats our seer, and if Schmidty was the duplicant then we won't have another seer we can trust again, likely. Ultimately, the risk is up to path to take or not take.

[Passacaglia]

We should have more than 75 anyway to recharge phasers, right?

[PackerFanatic]

So we repair the engines, send out 1 away team to get crys and then get the hell off this rock.

I like the sound of that, heh.

[mccollins]

Regarding the extra Crys, we take off immediately right? So theoretically we can just knock those missions out first thing tomorrow, and assuming repairs go smoothly we'll zap outta here right quick

That's how I understand it. Then we can fix the water plant and beds while in space.

Some quick math - we currently have 64 units of water and will have 41 units left tomorrow morning (if there's not a lynch). 125-41 = 84 max units of cargo space for crys tomorrow morning. (Unless we end up throwing away some water today to store mined crys - we currently have room for only 61 units of crys since we have 64 units of water.)

[Alan T]

I am going to ask all security personal to guard the important rooms tonight (Engine, Cargo Hold, Security HQ).. I know most are exhausted .. but tonight will be the night for the spawn, they'll likely do anything they can to prevent us from taking off tommorrow.

[Tyrith]

Why Telle over hoops?

That's how I understand it. Then we can fix the water plant and beds while in space.

Some quick math - we currently have 64 units of water and will have 41 units left tomorrow morning (if there's not a lynch). 125-41 = 84 max units of cargo space for crys tomorrow morning. (Unless we end up throwing away some water today to store mined crys - we currently have room for only 61 units of crys since we have 64 units of water.)

We all keep making nice, optimistic assumptions that no one is ever going to die at night :P

[Tyrith]

Dola, the first quote in that post was a screwup.

[PackerFanatic]

We all keep making nice, optimistic assumptions that no one is ever going to die at night :P

Haha...yeah, like Alan said, I would imagine tonight would be the night for all hell to break loose.

[KWhit]

We all keep making nice, optimistic assumptions that no one is ever going to die at night :P

Nah. They're just converting us while we're on the planet.

Once we lift-off, then we'll start dying.

:)

[Marc Vaughan]

Umm.. hoops took LSG. I'm taking PackerFanatic.

I read that as hoops took LSD ... that would explain a lot ;)

[Telle]

Probability, and hoops explanation for last night makes far, far more sense to me than Telle's given the roles we know about and what we got in the Day 3 post. I understand the idea for voting for hoops -- he struck me very poorly yesterday, too. However, Telle has been outside more, her explanation for last night sounds really bogus, and if we lynch her and she's good I feel like it gives us a lot more options.

It'd make life a lot easier for today if we scanned hoops...but darnit, there's like a 1 in 5 chance he just eats our seer, and if Schmidty was the duplicant then we won't have another seer we can trust again, likely. Ultimately, the risk is up to path to take or not take.

But how does hoops' explanation for last night make any sense either? If I was a spawn, why would I be "concentrating" and "looking for something"? How does that even fit with anything?

[mccollins]

So we have 74 now?! Boo earns!

I think that means we just threw away 13 units of water?

BK can you confirm how many units of water we threw away?

[Tyrith]

But how does hoops' explanation for last night make any sense either? If I was a spawn, why would I be "concentrating" and "looking for something"? How does that even fit with anything?

It doesn't. But ultimately, that's the point -- we have significantly more reasons to be suspicious of what we don't know than what we do know, because things we do know are predictable and generally don't try to eat us.

And...ultimately, like I said last night, my default plan was to vote for you today anyway. Probability. It sucks to be a red shirt, sorry.

[Telle]

It doesn't. But ultimately, that's the point -- we have significantly more reasons to be suspicious of what we don't know than what we do know, because things we do know are predictable and generally don't try to eat us.

*blinks* What? So what do we know that makes you trust hoops more than you trust me?

[jeheinz72]

I think hoops coming out with his statement can be just as false as Telle's explaination. I mean if you're asked to defend something, you give your explaination it's not all that far-fetched to for the Spawn then to just make up where your explaination is false. Especially given that the Spawn is facing A) A scan and B) Tons of Lynch pressure anyhow.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, I'm not seeing how this is any more of a case of He Said/She Said. To say Hoops' version of the truth is necessarily any more honest than Telle's is a fallacy. Either of them could be bad.

[Tyrith]

Let me put it this way -- give me a reason other than hunches or general impression that hoops would be a better lynch candidate?

[mccollins]

But how does hoops' explanation for last night make any sense either? If I was a spawn, why would I be "concentrating" and "looking for something"? How does that even fit with anything?

Telle, do you have anything in any PMs that coordinates with Hoops' allegation that you were 'concentrating' or 'looking for something'? Any idea to what that might refer?

[PackerFanatic]

Let me just say, I feel bad for the people that can't be online and checking this almost all the time during the day. I went to lunch for an hour and had two pages to read, I can't imagine having to read 6,7,8 at a time, all the time.

And also, for the record, this game is pretty sweet :)

[Alan T]

Kwhit, Are you planning to stay up tonight and come up with a mining plan using your night AP? I would prefer if possible to try to have someone available to do an away team first thing in the morning if we don't encounter any issues over night

[mccollins]

Let me put it this way -- give me a reason other than hunches or general impression that hoops would be a better lynch candidate?

Let's say with hoops' math they are equally likely to have been spawn from the start. Telle has been on 3 away missions vs. hoops 1 away mission. That's bad for Telle's case because she has more exposure. Hoops only brought back 9 crys (though that could be the scientist's fault) and many people did not like his arguments yesterday (see KWhit's "4 things"). That's bad for Hoops' case.

I still think they're equally likely to be a spawn and it's equally likely that neither are a spawn. (So, I guess my 'gut math' says 50% none and 25% each for either of the two of them to be spawn.)

[mccollins]

Kwhit, Are you planning to stay up tonight and come up with a mining plan using your night AP? I would prefer if possible to try to have someone available to do an away team first thing in the morning if we don't encounter any issues over night

To double check - there are currently zero prepared plans, correct?

[Alan T]

To double check - there are currently zero prepared plans, correct?


Correct

[Telle]

Telle, do you have anything in any PMs that coordinates with Hoops' allegation that you were 'concentrating' or 'looking for something'? Any idea to what that might refer?

Not really. I was just wandering around trying not to fall asleep.

[KWhit]

I still think they're equally likely to be a spawn and it's equally likely that neither are a spawn. (So, I guess my 'gut math' says 50% none and 25% each for either of the two of them to be spawn.)

And 10% for both to be Spawn.

:)

[Tyrith]

Let's say with hoops' math they are equally likely to have been spawn from the start. Telle has been on 3 away missions vs. hoops 1 away mission. That's bad for Telle's case because she has more exposure. Hoops only brought back 9 crys (though that could be the scientist's fault) and many people did not like his arguments yesterday (see KWhit's "4 things"). That's bad for Hoops' case.

I still think they're equally likely to be a spawn and it's equally likely that neither are a spawn. (So, I guess my 'gut math' says 50% none and 25% each for either of the two of them to be spawn.)

16 versus 9 seems like really flimsy ground to base any kind of determination when saldana brought back 33 and this game has a heavy RNG element. Not that that was the crux of your argument, at all.

[Telle]

Let me put it this way -- give me a reason other than hunches or general impression that hoops would be a better lynch candidate?

Well I've had two successful exploring missions and one not-so-hot but better than hoops mining mission. So I'd say that's at least something in my favor. But beyond that it is as others have said, a case of he said / she said.

[KWhit]

Kwhit, Are you planning to stay up tonight and come up with a mining plan using your night AP? I would prefer if possible to try to have someone available to do an away team first thing in the morning if we don't encounter any issues over night

Yeah, I think so.

[mccollins]

16 versus 9 seems like really flimsy ground to base any kind of determination when saldana brought back 33 and this game has a heavy RNG element. Not that that was the crux of your argument, at all.

It wasn't the crux of my argument, but I believe I saw multiple people say they would base their vote on it.

The fact that LSG was on Hoops' mission also plays into the result though.

[Tyrith]

It wasn't the crux of my argument, but I believe I saw multiple people say they would base their vote on it.

The fact that LSG was on Hoops' mission also plays into the result though.

I have to say, anyone who bases their decision on the hoops vs. Telle mining result I will consider to have made their decision based off flipping a coin and will view them accordingly.

[RendeR]

That means of these 6 people who aren't exhausted, there were only 5 beds:

RendeR
claphamsa
The Jackal
LoneStarGirl
PackerFanatic
Chubby

Could one of them be the spawn that does not get exhausted?


I was exhausted yesterday and slept lsat night, I had 1 of the 5 beds. Didn't sleep well, but well enough to remove the exhaustion tag.

[Alan T]

Just so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle... People with outstanding AP for today:

Alan T - 3 AP
Danny - 1 AP
Path - 1 AP
Bullet - 1 AP
Jackal - 1 AP
oliegirl - 1 AP
Pass - 1 AP
Mrs.Schmidty - 1 AP (No action available)

[Passacaglia]

I was exhausted yesterday and slept lsat night, I had 1 of the 5 beds. Didn't sleep well, but well enough to remove the exhaustion tag.

Right. Since you and PackerFanatic were exhausted Night 1, you guys are probably not the spawn that doesn't get exhausted. That leaves claphamsa, The Jackal, LoneStarGirl, and Chubby.

[jeheinz72]

Here's my breakdown of hoops vs Telle

Known Spawn odds

Telle - 25% as of when hoops tailed here (staring 15% + 10% from first mission). 35% of Spawn at the moment, 45% of Spawnling+ at the moment

Hoops - 15% starting odds, 25% at Spawnling+

Expeditions

Telle - 2 successful explorations. 16 Crys in today's mission, with the less trusted scientist (figuring Packer is less trusted than LSG, though close if any difference)

Hoops - 1 sub-par mission of 9 Crys

Really, the Expedition weight for me isn't heavy. Worth noting.



Now, for me, this whole thing boils down to gains. I bring it back to how would hoops act in each case, Survivor vs Spawn.

In the case of Survivor, I don't see hoops who we generally all believe is a great villager to come after me (a vital role at the moment it happened) with little more than a gut feeling, come after Render (who happens to be the person above him on the food chain), come after Danny (also an Engineer) and now Telle (an officer). I don't see him making 4 pretty big flails when, if he's a Survivor, hoops knows that he just has to wait patiently for an eventual path scan to clear him. I don't think he plays it that agressively.

Now, in the case of hoops as Spawn. I think he absolutely plays it agressively. I think he knows he's going to get scanned, and I think if he dies via the scan, that's ok to him since it at the moment while we can get a new doctor, we can't verify the cleanliness of them. I think hoops came AWFUL close to getting lynched yesterday. I think he takes his shot here with Telle, trumps up a story in a manner that no matter her response he can make it appear as though she's lying. He gets himself into a 1-on-1 situation knowing there are 3 outcomes

A) He gets scanned, which he's probably ok with (better than lynched)
B) He wins the 1-on-1, takes out an officer before he goes
C) He gets lynched, which was a plausible possibility going into today anyhow.

[jeheinz72]

Vote Hoopsguy

[path12]

Well, now it's up to path to do whatever it is he's going to do. The sooner the better. Leaning very, very strongly towards voting for Telle right now.


Catching up. I'm waiting for something specific before scanning. I'll send a PM to Barkeep.

[Alan T]

Vote No execution

[jeheinz72]

Right. Since you and PackerFanatic were exhausted Night 1, you guys are probably not the spawn that doesn't get exhausted. That leaves claphamsa, The Jackal, LoneStarGirl, and Chubby.

Can't say I'm surprised clap and Jackal could be spawn. I know this is a chunk of jamming a round peg into an already surmised theory but that clap pinging of me combined with hoops just reeked of two wolves in conjunction and Jackal, being someone who can be promoted to doctor and being spawn would aid in the benefit to hoops getting scanned and taking out our present doctor.

Not much, but personally I try to put myself into the minds of the bad guys and figure out what they are thinking. Admiteddly some out there thinking to everyone else, but I like to note them (early and often baby!)

[Tyrith]

Pretty compelling. But hoops has every reason to be aggressive as a villager, too - he'll still get cleared eventually, and he has to be aggressive because the entire darn ship DOESN'T ACTUALLY WANT TO DO ANYTHING. He's generally always probing, stirring up different people -- it's how he plays. And how you might act in each situation does not equate to how he might act, because he generally always seems like a wolf early on because he's the only person actually suggesting someone else is a wolf.

Forget that. I'd rather kill someone that isn't offering any real suggestions about what we should do -- the ultimate, underlying strategy for me is to lynch the quiet people, because they're the ones that don't have to defend themselves. I'm not going to lynch hoops just for doing what he does.

[KWhit]

In the case of Survivor, I don't see hoops who we generally all believe is a great villager to come after me (a vital role at the moment it happened) with little more than a gut feeling, come after Render (who happens to be the person above him on the food chain), come after Danny (also an Engineer) and now Telle (an officer). I don't see him making 4 pretty big flails when, if he's a Survivor, hoops knows that he just has to wait patiently for an eventual path scan to clear him. I don't think he plays it that agressively.

Now, in the case of hoops as Spawn. I think he absolutely plays it agressively. I think he knows he's going to get scanned, and I think if he dies via the scan, that's ok to him since it at the moment while we can get a new doctor, we can't verify the cleanliness of them. I think hoops came AWFUL close to getting lynched yesterday. I think he takes his shot here with Telle, trumps up a story in a manner that no matter her response he can make it appear as though she's lying. He gets himself into a 1-on-1 situation knowing there are 3 outcomes

A) He gets scanned, which he's probably ok with (better than lynched)
B) He wins the 1-on-1, takes out an officer before he goes
C) He gets lynched, which was a plausible possibility going into today anyhow.


This is sort of my thinking too. The other scenario is that they're both Spawn and Hoops knows that they are both likely lost causes. Hoops because of yesterday and because he is always a likely early scan candidate. Telle because she's gone out on the most away missions and has the biggest chance of being a convert.

So maybe Hoops figures he can become trusted by "outing" a spawn today and cruising into a CoT.

This is fairly far-fetched, I suppose, but not out of the realm of posssibility.

[jeheinz72]

Pretty compelling. But hoops has every reason to be aggressive as a villager, too - he'll still get cleared eventually, and he has to be aggressive because the entire darn ship DOESN'T ACTUALLY WANT TO DO ANYTHING. He's generally always probing, stirring up different people -- it's how he plays. And how you might act in each situation does not equate to how he might act, because he generally always seems like a wolf early on because he's the only person actually suggesting someone else is a wolf.

Forget that. I'd rather kill someone that isn't offering any real suggestions about what we should do -- the ultimate, underlying strategy for me is to lynch the quiet people, because they're the ones that don't have to defend themselves. I'm not going to lynch hoops just for doing what he does.

I don't know. I think I have a pretty good read on wolf-hoops. We were both wolves a couple games back and I saw how he played it and called him on the next game when he was a wolf as well.

I think giving him a pass at this crucial of a juncture because he posts a lot, something he'd do in any game, is a mistake.

[RendeR]

So If I read things right we have the following people cleared, for now, and going into the brig tonight:

Alan T
Path12 (??)
Myself

and who else was in there last night?

And I'm thinking Marc Vaughn as the new Doc after what I expect is a path12 scan of him? (hopefully a clean one)

So we should have 5 cleared people safely locked in the Brig tonight?

[LoneStarGirl]

2nd straight night for Bullet.

is he even playing ?

[Alan T]

This is sort of my thinking too. The other scenario is that they're both Spawn and Hoops knows that they are both likely lost causes. Hoops because of yesterday and because he is always a likely early scan candidate. Telle because she's gone out on the most away missions and has the biggest chance of being a convert.

So maybe Hoops figures he can become trusted by "outing" a spawn today and cruising into a CoT.

This is fairly far-fetched, I suppose, but not out of the realm of posssibility.


I actually was thinking something similar actually.. I dont know that it is that far-fetched...

[Telle]

KWhit was also cleared.

[Passacaglia]

So If I read things right we have the following people cleared, for now, and going into the brig tonight:

Alan T
Path12 (??)
Myself

and who else was in there last night?

And I'm thinking Marc Vaughn as the new Doc after what I expect is a path12 scan of him? (hopefully a clean one)

So we should have 5 cleared people safely locked in the Brig tonight?


Why not Schmidty and KWhit? And I can only put 4 in the brig.

[jeheinz72]

This is sort of my thinking too. The other scenario is that they're both Spawn and Hoops knows that they are both likely lost causes. Hoops because of yesterday and because he is always a likely early scan candidate. Telle because she's gone out on the most away missions and has the biggest chance of being a convert.

So maybe Hoops figures he can become trusted by "outing" a spawn today and cruising into a CoT.

This is fairly far-fetched, I suppose, but not out of the realm of posssibility.

If they're both Spawn, I'll just be as happy as anyone. My thinking on that though is, you vote hoops now and keep an eye on Telle. She could have been clean on Day 1 (not infected), clean on Day 2 and just been infected today. I think if hoops gets lynched and is Spawn I'm not clearing Telle. He could've still lied and then coincidence has her become Spawn after the fact. Just like if Telle is lynched and comes up Spawn I'm not clearing hoops, since he left today as well.

[Alan T]

So If I read things right we have the following people cleared, for now, and going into the brig tonight:

Alan T
Path12 (??)
Myself

and who else was in there last night?

And I'm thinking Marc Vaughn as the new Doc after what I expect is a path12 scan of him? (hopefully a clean one)

So we should have 5 cleared people safely locked in the Brig tonight?

The warden can only place 4 people into the brig each night. So for now it is probably going to be me, Path, Kwhit like before + either you or Marc.. Which is why I was hoping Path would scan Marc so he could go in the brig. No offense to you since I think 2nd officer is also an important position, but we need to probably lock up the doctor also.

The other possibility is that I could leave the brig since it is obvious that I am part of an absolute trust group and people would know if I got converted.. but I don't think we should take that risk tonight as they could just outright kill me and it might mess up plans for taking off tommorrow.

So summary:

I think brig = Path, kwhit, Alan and Marc Vaughn (if he is scanned by path)

[Barkeep49]

A crewperson passing by notices something strange. He orders a diagnostic of the system. Same thing. He does the math in his head and it isn't right, but the computer is insistant: there are 5 more units of Crystillium than was expected.

[Alan T]

Why not Schmidty and KWhit? And I can only put 4 in the brig.


Schmidty is needed for security duty to guard the cargo hold

[LoneStarGirl]

As the crew waits for the first away mission to finish, hoopsguy take a team out, accompanied by LSG and 3 slaves to also mine Crystillium.

Awesome, I am useful! Am I supposed to get a pm about what happened here?

[Tyrith]

I don't know. I think I have a pretty good read on wolf-hoops. We were both wolves a couple games back and I saw how he played it and called him on the next game when he was a wolf as well.

I think giving him a pass at this crucial of a juncture because he posts a lot, something he'd do in any game, is a mistake.

No, but so is seeking to hunt him because he's the only guy offering much in terms of opinions is also bad. Remember, we've had a ton of no lynch momentum for going on three days now -- there are a lot of trash posts in this thread.

[Alan T]

A crewperson passing by notices something strange. He orders a diagnostic of the system. Same thing. He does the math in his head and it isn't right, but the computer is insistant: there are 5 more units of Crystillium than was expected.


Huh.. interesting.. so 79 total now? I like that news, but unless we know how that happened I'm not sure we can't trust it that it might be bad or fake crystilium... Anyone with ideas of how the extra 5 got in there?

[Alan T]

No, but so is seeking to hunt him because he's the only guy offering much in terms of opinions is also bad. Remember, we've had a ton of no lynch momentum for going on three days now -- there are a lot of trash posts in this thread.


No lynch momentum is not trash posts.. they actually make the most sense :)

[path12]

Why not Schmidty and KWhit? And I can only put 4 in the brig.

Hoops will be scanned. If he is good, the brig should hold me, Alan, KWhit and hoops. If he's bad I'd suggest just KWhit and Alan, since we have no read on whether or not Schmidty is good or bad -- that whole thing could be a ploy.

[Passacaglia]

Huh.. interesting.. so 79 total now? I like that news, but unless we know how that happened I'm not sure we can't trust it that it might be bad or fake crystilium... Anyone with ideas of how the extra 5 got in there?

My guess is GM miscalculation.

[KWhit]

A crewperson passing by notices something strange. He orders a diagnostic of the system. Same thing. He does the math in his head and it isn't right, but the computer is insistant: there are 5 more units of Crystillium than was expected.

I assume this happened:

Miracle Worker Once per game may activate for one of the following:
* May protect all members of an Away Team from becoming Spawnlings.
* May replenish spontaneously generate an amount of Water or Crystlium

[Barkeep49]

My guess is GM miscalculation.
Guess again.

[jeheinz72]

For what it is worth, I was "lurking around various parts of the ship through-out the night." while following another player.

I don't know of any reason that person should have been in a position to be moving about various parts of the ship, but I'll start looking at private roles to see if something matches up with it.

This post sticks out for me.

For one, it doesn't actually name Telle, or what he saw (perfect way to start the set-up) For two, it came well after he posted on a number of other topics (if you caught someone acting suspicious, wouldn't that darn near be your 1st post of the day?)

On top of it all, why would hoops tail Telle, and not RendeR? He made it clear RendeR was suspect #1A as of yesterday. Why the change (as of the time of night actions, we all know now that RendeR is clean, which is also a convenient fact given the time of this post).

[Alan T]

I assume this happened:


Good call... well that is a nice break.. we still have to have the engines fixed though.

[Chubby]

Got out of work a few mins early, catching up now...

[Telle]

So is a buffer of 4 enough to liftoff with or should we get some more to be safe? One more away mission in the morning?

[path12]

The miracle worker thing was me. I wanted to make sure that went through before my scan.

[bulletsponge]

ok caught up. i have no opinions to give

[RendeR]

It doesn't. But ultimately, that's the point -- we have significantly more reasons to be suspicious of what we don't know than what we do know, because things we do know are predictable and generally don't try to eat us.

And...ultimately, like I said last night, my default plan was to vote for you today anyway. Probability. It sucks to be a red shirt, sorry.

She's not a redshirt, she's an ensign. The privates are redshirts.

*blinks* What? So what do we know that makes you trust hoops more than you trust me?

I have to ask this as well, as we have documented points of hoops doing suspicious things from day 2. Telle has only the act that she's been exposed more often than anyone else going against her. her missions have been successful if not spectacular.

Pretty compelling. But hoops has every reason to be aggressive as a villager, too - he'll still get cleared eventually, and he has to be aggressive because the entire darn ship DOESN'T ACTUALLY WANT TO DO ANYTHING. He's generally always probing, stirring up different people -- it's how he plays. And how you might act in each situation does not equate to how he might act, because he generally always seems like a wolf early on because he's the only person actually suggesting someone else is a wolf.

Forget that. I'd rather kill someone that isn't offering any real suggestions about what we should do -- the ultimate, underlying strategy for me is to lynch the quiet people, because they're the ones that don't have to defend themselves. I'm not going to lynch hoops just for doing what he does.

The bold part bothers me greatly. The entire ship is trying to get things done to complete the mission, what are you talking about with this accusation? its wrong.

As for Hoops always probing and stirring tihngs up, damn right he does, and I cite the prime example of him stirring things up from the game he was pegged as a wolf and got an extra two days and at least one villager lynched instead of him out of it.

Don't trust him just because he's active, he's ALWAYS active and he's also most DANGEROUS when he's cornered or assuming that he's about to get pegged.

I'm still waiting on something more valid to vote for someone. I really don't see any reason to vote for telle at all, she's done nothing suspicious at this point.

[Tyrith]

No lynch momentum is not trash posts.. they actually make the most sense :)

1) No, they don't.
2) Well, there's not a direct causation between them, but we have 2k posts now and without us talking about votes, most of the posts don't really offer anything substantive. Lots of cross posts, trying to figure out the rules, important mission questions that while critical to the gameplay don't really offer us much when it comes to player's allegiances. We don't have two thousand posts of information, for sure.

[Alan T]

This post sticks out for me.

For one, it doesn't actually name Telle, or what he saw (perfect way to start the set-up) For two, it came well after he posted on a number of other topics (if you caught someone acting suspicious, wouldn't that darn near be your 1st post of the day?)

On top of it all, why would hoops tail Telle, and not RendeR? He made it clear RendeR was suspect #1A as of yesterday. Why the change (as of the time of night actions, we all know now that RendeR is clean, which is also a convenient fact given the time of this post).


My gut feeling is that he was going to go after Render and then had to change directions when Schmidty cleared Render.... as Schmidty threw him a curve ball.. but that was my gut feeling that I was trying to not say in thread <.< :)

[claphamsa]

ok, just a reminder that my weekend plans changed.... so ill be leaving for vacation at abotu 7..... i need to put in conditionals for tommrow. Im gonna shadow Tyrinth (cheif engineer) so whatever he fixes so do i.... I dont think i need anythign else :)

[Alan T]

1) No, they don't.
2) Well, there's not a direct causation between them, but we have 2k posts now and without us talking about votes, most of the posts don't really offer anything substantive. Lots of cross posts, trying to figure out the rules, important mission questions that while critical to the gameplay don't really offer us much when it comes to player's allegiances. We don't have two thousand posts of information, for sure.


Mission > Spawn hunting.

[claphamsa]

unless osmoen has another idea :)

[Danny]

i'm catching up now, anything urgent I need to know about while I do so?